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Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:39 pm
by ClayxIron
Any help with this ID would be appreciated.
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:20 pm
by Miller Bro's
Thomas Ellin & Co.
Please show the entire knife

Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:47 pm
by ClayxIron
Here you go.
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:22 am
by kootenay joe
"Here you go" No, not yet.
There is no picture showing entire knife.
kj
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:29 pm
by deo-pa
Seems like you might have a winner. The company goes back to the 18th Century but this knife could be anywhere from late 19th onward. It's interesting because it has two of Ellin's trademarks: VULCAN and CUTTER with the sailing ship.
Show the whole knife both sides with blades open and comment on whether the blades have good open and close snap. Some folks here will hazard a guess as to value. Your Google search probably struck out because the tang stamp looks like CLLIN instead of ELLIN.
Dennis
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:10 pm
by GerryD
I would like to know how you got your dog to lie still while you took the photos?
On a more serious note the trade mark Cutter wasn't granted until 1849 so I would suspect the knife was made after that but as others have said with out a good image its all guess work. I cant see England on the tang but the bolster can hide that when the blade is fully open.
Gerry
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:03 am
by alabama
I have many knife books-always seem to use GOINS #2-1784-1970-T(homas)ELLIN & CO..Thomas ellin was at Sylvester works,arundel street-Sheffield England-taken over by joseph Elliot about 1944-vulcan trademark 1st used 1844-ship trademark =CUTTER-1850--looks like part of a lambsfoot blade-so you have a jack knife with a possible lambsfoot blade-common on English knives..
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:18 am
by ClayxIron
Sorry for the wait.
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:20 am
by ClayxIron
ClayxIron wrote:Sorry for the wait.
both blades have very strong snap.
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:24 am
by ClayxIron
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Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:34 pm
by alabama
make that a spearpoint blade-possibly 2
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:17 am
by kootenay joe
Clayx, there is something you are not understanding. To assess any knife we 'read' 2 things, the markings AND the knife. Of the 2, the knife is far more important. To 'read' the knife means to observe everything about it, every little detail, to see if it fits with other known examples.
You keep showing us the markings. Now show the knife as suggested by another poster above: blades closed, both sides, blades open, both sides.
These 4 pictures are the bare minimum, but then if there is doubt, other specific views can be requested.
I look forward to seeing these pictures.
kj
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:14 am
by ClayxIron
Is this better?
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:55 am
by kootenay joe
YES, those are the views. Now you need to improve the lighting and possibly focus.
For light, easiest is outside on a high overcast day, direct sunlight gives too much shadow.
My 15 yr old digital camera has an auto focus. I use a tripod as this is steady (not shaking like my hands) and get good in focus pictures.
Because of the poor lighting i am not sure what the handles are made of. This might help with dating. Maybe someone else knows ?
kj
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:17 pm
by ClayxIron
They're bone.
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:32 pm
by ClayxIron
Re-shoot #5689075427
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:48 pm
by kootenay joe
Well done !
You already know the maker is Thomas Ellin & Co.
Assuming the closed length is greater than 3.5" the pattern is known as a "Double End Jack".
Handles are very worn and are either bone as already stated or possibly Stag (deer antler). The liners & bolsters are steel which antedates the use of brass and nickle silver.
If you move the main blade to about 45 degrees open can you see any markings under the "Sheffield". If so the word is likely "England" and the knife dates to after 1891. No "England" most likely means made before 1891.
That's all that i can say. More experienced knifers might be able to add more.
kj
p.s., a plain background, off white, light gray, beige is better next time.
Re: Need help ID'ing this Sheffield knife. Found in a local shop here in New Hampshire, US. Google came up with nothing.
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:55 pm
by ClayxIron
No "England" under the Sheffield. Thank you for the help friend(s).