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Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:23 am
by supratentorial
Buck #110 Folding Hunter Blade Process
Blank > Double Disc > Stamp & Nail Notch > Chamfer > Hollow Grind > Heat Treat > Tumble > Finished
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Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:32 pm
by XX Case XX
Thanks for posting that. It's fascinating to see the entire process step-by-step. It makes me wonder how people made blades centuries ago without all the modern technology we have today, and a good number of those blades survived the test of time. I'm going to save that photograph for future reference. That's a great visual learning tool. ::tu::

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Mike

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:13 pm
by supratentorial
Glad you share my interest, Mike ::tu::

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:20 pm
by XX Case XX
supratentorial wrote:Glad you share my interest, Mike ::tu::
Yes, I do. Now I'm having trouble seeing the difference between the first two blades: Blank/Double Disc. I'm not quite sure about the difference between those two. I enlarged the photo and took a long hard look but the only difference I can see is the color. Or maybe it's a process they do that is not easily visible?

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Mike

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:16 pm
by supratentorial
XX Case XX wrote:
supratentorial wrote:Glad you share my interest, Mike ::tu::
Yes, I do. Now I'm having trouble seeing the difference between the first two blades: Blank/Double Disc. I'm not quite sure about the difference between those two. I enlarged the photo and took a long hard look but the only difference I can see is the color. Or maybe it's a process they do that is not easily visible?

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Mike
I had looked long at that one also. I did search "double disc grinders" and if I understand correctly, they grind a very small amount off both faces of the blade, squaring them up after blanking. Not 100% sure though.

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:30 pm
by XX Case XX
So it's a tedious and intricate process. Got it. Still fascinating though. It's interesting to see how the things we use all the time are manufactured in the step-by-step process.

It all starts from separate, yet equally important parts machined, cleaned, and then attached in sequential order to create that thing we carry, use, and admire for many years, then hopefully passed down through the family order for decades and even centuries.

And when all is said and done, it's simply a pocket knife...

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Mike

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:19 pm
by supratentorial
It's interesting stuff. Also, an understanding the manufacturing is fundamental to understanding quality since the meaning of quality is tied to manufacturing. As one example, flush springs are sometimes viewed as a sign of quality but it is partly an artifact of the hafting process. The springs are ground flush during the shaping of the cover material. In contrast, the components on a Victorinox knife are made separately and the springs and covers aren't ground flush.

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:43 pm
by XX Case XX
supratentorial wrote:It's interesting stuff. Also, an understanding the manufacturing is fundamental to understanding quality since the meaning of quality is tied to manufacturing. As one example, flush springs are sometimes viewed as a sign of quality but it is partly an artifact of the hafting process. The springs are ground flush during the shaping of the cover material. In contrast, the components on a Victorinox knife are made separately and the springs and covers aren't ground flush.
I don't suppose you have a few photographs you could post here so I could "see" exactly what you mean? I think I understand what you're saying but a picture, if possible, would speak volumes.

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Mike

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:03 am
by supratentorial
XX Case XX wrote:
supratentorial wrote:It's interesting stuff. Also, an understanding the manufacturing is fundamental to understanding quality since the meaning of quality is tied to manufacturing. As one example, flush springs are sometimes viewed as a sign of quality but it is partly an artifact of the hafting process. The springs are ground flush during the shaping of the cover material. In contrast, the components on a Victorinox knife are made separately and the springs and covers aren't ground flush.
I don't suppose you have a few photographs you could post here so I could "see" exactly what you mean? I think I understand what you're saying but a picture, if possible, would speak volumes.

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Mike
For example on a knife from GEC, the backs are ground so that everything is flush.
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In contrast, each part of a Victorinox knife is finished BEFORE assembly. There is no grinding after assembly. So the springs are not completely flush. It's pretty good but not completely flush. This is not really a matter of quality. It's a matter of differences in the manufacturing.
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Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:15 pm
by XX Case XX
Okay, now I get it. Thank you for the photos, that really makes sense now. It's interesting how different manufacturers do things. There's no "one way" of performing some of the tasks needed to make a pocket knife.

I myself prefer that the finishing touches be performed after final assembly, but like you said, quality is not the issue, it's simply an alternate manufacturing method. This is good stuff, I'm really glad for your post. ::handshake::

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Mike

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:25 am
by Old Hunter
Just took the time to read through this; very interesting and educational. Thanks, OH

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:57 am
by TripleF
Awesome info! Thanks for sharing!!

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:41 pm
by americanedgetech
supratentorial wrote:
XX Case XX wrote:
supratentorial wrote:Glad you share my interest, Mike ::tu::
Yes, I do. Now I'm having trouble seeing the difference between the first two blades: Blank/Double Disc. I'm not quite sure about the difference between those two. I enlarged the photo and took a long hard look but the only difference I can see is the color. Or maybe it's a process they do that is not easily visible?

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Mike
I had looked long at that one also. I did search "double disc grinders" and if I understand correctly, they grind a very small amount off both faces of the blade, squaring them up after blanking. Not 100% sure though.
That is 100% what double disc is.
Squaring up the blank, and removing the sharp burr on the bottom side of the die cut.
I buy die cut stainless for backing plates used on a boats deck cleats, and those buggers will slice you up unless you relieve that sharp burr on the bottom side


Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:00 pm
by supratentorial
Thanks guys! And thank you for the video, americanedgetech ::tu::

Re: Buck 110 Blade Process

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:54 am
by deltaboy
Cool ::tu::