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Being James Parker's son, wouldn't you think he'd use different terms than "sandbar stag" and "bonestag" when advertising this knife? Or am I just being picky?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Parker-Congress-Kni ... dZViewItem

Just my 2 cents worth but I think he has folks working for him, and yes there is always the typo. I have done it myself. He deals in such quantities that I cannot imagine him doing all the grunt work himself. I know what it takes to take pictures and list the eight items I normally do per week. If someone has never put up items on eBay they need to do it to see how much work it really is especially if you are dealing in quantity. I have had realtives think that you just thow the item up in the air - people bid - you collect the money - and all is good. NOT! His ads are normally pretty good and very accurate.

So .... yes you are being picky but that is ok as long as if you find a boo boo like that in one of my listings you let me know so I can fix it. I sure would appreciate another set of eyes on what I am doing for sure.

Actually,

That knife looks like bone, not stag, designed to look like stag.
So, maybe those terms are accurate descriptions of simulated, faux, fake stag...or then again, maybe not.

JMO.

Bill

I recently ended up with some Parker knives in a collection we bought. If you look at the box you can see where they really did refer to that handle material as Sandbar Stag. General concenus was that the Parkers, being crafty marketers, liked the sound of Sandbar, sounding a lot like Sambar.

olderdogs1 wrote: the Parkers, being crafty marketers, liked the sound of Sandbar, sounding a lot like Sambar.

Hmmmm Crafty Marketers

We call that kind of marketing something else in these parts...

Sunburst

Well stated Tom.

Bill (still on the hunt)

sunburst wrote:

olderdogs1 wrote: the Parkers, being crafty marketers, liked the sound of Sandbar, sounding a lot like Sambar.

Hmmmm Crafty Marketers

We call that kind of marketing something else in these parts...

Sunburst

YEAH! Ralph; Crafty Marketing = "The Sandbar Bone"

YEAH! Ralph; Crafty Marketing = "The Sandbar Bone"

Is that the same kind of bone used in prostate exams...???

sunburst wrote:

YEAH! Ralph; Crafty Marketing = "The Sandbar Bone"

Is that the same kind of bone used in prostate exams...???

No! Ralph; Instead of invading your Prostate, this Bone invades your

Wallet!

Realizing full well that I am copying from some previous posts I will recant for the newer members how it is rumored that there actually was a Sandbar deer herd that roamed the hills of Chattanooga Tn. Several years ago Jim Parker, aided by Jim Frost, rounded them up and shipped them to Japan where their horns were sawed off for knife handles. They were then shipped back to the states and released in a wildlife sanctuary in Alabama. Ok so I added a few details.
Tom

olderdogs1 wrote:Realizing full well that I am copying from some previous posts I will recant for the newer members how it is rumored that there actually was a Sandbar deer herd that roamed the hills of Chattanooga Tn. Several years ago Jim Parker, aided by Jim Frost, rounded them up and shipped them to Japan where their horns were sawed off for knife handles. They were then shipped back to the states and released in a wildlife sanctuary in Alabama. Ok so I added a few details.
Tom

I think I saw that herd the last time I was vacationing in Alabama...

Sunburst

olderdogs1 wrote:Realizing full well that I am copying from some previous posts I will recant for the newer members how it is rumored that there actually was a Sandbar deer herd that roamed the hills of Chattanooga Tn. Several years ago Jim Parker, aided by Jim Frost, rounded them up and shipped them to Japan where their horns were sawed off for knife handles. They were then shipped back to the states and released in a wildlife sanctuary in Alabama. Ok so I added a few details.
Tom

Olderdogs1; Jim Parker and Jim Frost actually traveled the entire

country in search of the "SANDBAR STAG BONE." Here is a picture of one

of their clandestine trips, just released through the "FREEDOM OF

INFORMATION ACT"

To me Sandbar looks just like torched bone, bone stag is nothing more than jigged bone. There are many cutlery supply catalogs that sell bonestag scales, http://www.knifehandles.com for one. Winterbottom is also jigged bone, not second cut stag as I often see it advertised. Came from a different critter, I believe I have some in the shop.

MITCH RAPP wrote:

olderdogs1 wrote:Realizing full well that I am copying from some previous posts I will recant for the newer members how it is rumored that there actually was a Sandbar deer herd that roamed the hills of Chattanooga Tn. Several years ago Jim Parker, aided by Jim Frost, rounded them up and shipped them to Japan where their horns were sawed off for knife handles. They were then shipped back to the states and released in a wildlife sanctuary in Alabama. Ok so I added a few details.
Tom

Olderdogs1; Jim Parker and Jim Frost actually traveled the entire

country in search of the "SANDBAR STAG BONE." Here is a picture of one

of their clandestine trips, just released through the "FREEDOM OF

INFORMATION ACT"

Sniff, sniff are you telling me that Kris Kringle is in on the action too, say it's not so...

So THAT'S how the herd got back here from Japan...dead of night, December 24th...but what year??

Bill

Bill; I could be wrong but I think it was the year Billy Bob was Santa!

Sambar, stag, stag bone, India, Asia, they are all “catch words.”
Truth is; stag is a male deer, stag horn is bone, and whether it be India, Asia, Netherlands, Idaho or Montana it’s all essentially the same as far as composition.

Sure their habitat and diet play a roll in the development and color, which makes some more attractive than others, but much of the stuff is stained, colored, ground and polished before it sees a blade.

Where the “stag” is cut from off the rack plays an important roll as far as texture goes. It gnarly on the main beams down by the crown or skull and gets smoother further out toward the points.

Wrong in their description...............yea! What the hell is sandbar?

Buzz didn't have a typo, Jim actually called that handle "sandbar", it even says that on the box. I asked Jim about that name at dinner a few years ago and he said "hell...it looks like a sandbar don't it". I think the handles are stag but, it's European stag though.

Well, there you go!

It's a name coined by Jim Parker for that particular knife handle material.

If you are the guy making the knives, you can call it whatever you like!

Thanks Perry!

Here's a guy that has a lot of knowledge about stag and has large collections that he's selling to finance a school in Kenya. He and his wife are both involved.

You've probably seen a lot of his writings about Steel Warrior, Case Seahorse and specifically the Warncliffe blade and not known it. He has written a lot about stag, second cut, sambar, and maybe sandbar I've seen other sites, this one too where he claims Bulldog stag is very high grade European stag, I think he's right. Bulldog does not use the word sambar or sandbar to describe their knives.

http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/rod/knives/reviews/stag.html

A lot of good informational reading in here. I recommend it! He shows a picture of avaerage Eropean Stag and you can see the resemblence to Sandbar Stag.

I hope everyone realizes we are just having a little fun here, regarding the choice of terminology used to describe these knives.

It is, for the most part, just tongue-in-cheek.

Bill

El Lobo wrote:I hope everyone realizes we are just having a little fun here, regarding the choice of terminology used to describe these knives.

It is, for the most part, just tongue-in-cheek.

Bill

Absolutely, I thought I'd put a link to a very knowledgeable source. Sometimes while playing with words or terminology we run across or remember other things we've read that are very educational. There are a couple Italian sites I ran across that refer to European Stag as SANBAR, even when it was Red Stag. I rememered reading this guy a few times and came away impressed with all his projects.

Personally I like the look of European Stag and it can stand on it's own merit with elk, moose, caribou, whitetail, mule deer, our little blacktail deer and Arizona's TINY Coues White-tailed Deer.

He must have more money than time.

That was educational. It kind of felt like I was watching/reading Ali and Frazier and the thrilla in manilla. However, I did think it was a jokingly serious discussion as it went along. Entertaining for sure. Thanks for the knowledge gentlemen. Nice references along the way.

Hukk; Great Link. The pictures are worth a thousand words!