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Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:06 pm
by Mason
I've always liked the look of "Bowtie" guards (curved S hand guards) on knives, and who doesn't like the look of a classic Italian switchblade stiletto with S type hand guards. S style guards date back to the 1400s in Italy on swords and daggers and were also quite popular throughout Europe for centuries. Commonly seen on French and German knives, the United Stated also produced their fair share from many companies including Case, Remington, and Schrade. It seems that S guards are usually found in conjunction with "fishtail" type rear bolsters, but are also found with a variety of rear bolster shapes.

Enclosed is an example from Boker marked "H. Boker & Co. Improved Cutlery". Boker produced models with the S guards from around 1908 to around 1930. Boker also made basically the same model without the guards during and after the hand guard model timeline.
Also enclosed is a pair of post WWII American spring fired models which include a Schrade Walden (bottom) and a "candy stripe" Imperial. Both these models were also offered without the guards.

Please add some more examples...

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:46 am
by thegreedygulo
VERY nice Mason; Especially the H. Boker! :mrgreen:

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:55 pm
by RobesonsRme.com
Very nice.

I assume folding "S" guards need not apply, as "Bowtie" generally refers to that specific pattern.

Charlie Noyes

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:17 pm
by peanut740
I`m like Charlie,I don`t think of that as a bowtie.But maybe I learned something today.

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:51 pm
by Mason
thegreedygulo wrote:VERY nice Mason; Especially the H. Boker! :mrgreen:
Thanks Greedy. The "USA" marked fishtail models without the guards seem to show up now and then, but we don't see the German made versions with the guards very often.

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:08 pm
by Mason
RobesonsRme.com wrote:Very nice.

I assume folding "S" guards need not apply, as "Bowtie" generally refers to that specific pattern.

Charlie Noyes
I don't know how official it actually is, but I have always thought of a "Bowtie" guard as being a S or possibly straight guard within the top bolster. I guess that might resemble a closer representation to a real bowtie on a man's neck???
A thread on various fixed and folding guards would be pretty interesting.
Enclosed is a picture from the "Official Price Guide to Collector Knives" by Price and Zalesky showing a Case "Bowtie" model.

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:03 am
by Miller Bro's
All the original catalogs I have seen describe them as a "fixed guard" never seen bowtie.

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:42 am
by Mason
Miller Bro's wrote:All the original catalogs I have seen describe them as a "fixed guard" never seen bowtie.
That's true, but most original catalogs also don't incorporate many commonly used specific model names such as, "Hobo", "Coke Bottle", "Sunfish", "Saddle Horn", and so on. Original catalogs are generally pretty spartan on their descriptive terms and tend to use fairly generic categories, whereas guide books such as "Goins" and "Levines" use a much wider spectrum of names and terms which have become endeared by collectors.

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:25 am
by Miller Bro's
I'm gonna go with "Cross-Bar" knives :wink:

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:43 am
by Mason
Yes, Imperial used that name, but I'll stick with Bowtie. :)

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:45 am
by Miller Bro's
:lol: ::tu::

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:24 pm
by Miller Bro's
Waking up this six year old thread :shock:

Picked up this display card in the original shipping box! :D

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:10 pm
by edge213
Miller Bro's wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:24 pm Waking up this six year old thread :shock:

Picked up this display card in the original shipping box! :D
I love these old display cards.
They are extremely hard to find at an affordable price range.
Great pick up!!

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:29 pm
by btrwtr
Very nice find MB!

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:46 pm
by TPK
:shock: COOL! 8) ::super_happy::

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:37 pm
by Mason
Great card Miller Bros.!!! They are hard to find especially in that new condition.

Here is another card with Edgemaster knives.

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:41 pm
by Miller Bro's
Thanks David, Wayne and Tom! ::handshake::

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:45 pm
by Miller Bro's
Mason wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:37 pm Great card Miller Bros.!!! They are hard to find especially in that new condition.

Here is another card with Edgemaster knives.
Thanks Mason :wink:

That Edgemaster card is impressive 8) ::tu::

There must be someone else on this forum that has some of these knives to post in this thread!! ::shrug:: ::uc:: ::hmm::

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:36 pm
by RobesonsRme.com
Dimitri’s card knives would probably have been priced, “$1.29; Your Choice”.

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:24 pm
by edge213
Mason wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:37 pm Great card Miller Bros.!!! They are hard to find especially in that new condition.

Here is another card with Edgemaster knives.
Gorgeous!!

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:37 pm
by peanut740
MB ::tu::

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:41 am
by Miller Bro's
Thanks Roger ::handshake::

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:45 am
by Mason
Thanks, M.B. and edge213.
No Bowtie thread is complete without at least one classic Italian S guard picklock switchblade. :)

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:04 am
by Miller Bro's
Mason wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:45 am No Bowtie thread is complete without at least one classic Italian S guard picklock switchblade. :)
Nice one ::tu::

Here are a few.......

Re: Bodacious Bowties

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:03 pm
by Mason
Miller Bro's wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:04 am
Mason wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:45 am No Bowtie thread is complete without at least one classic Italian S guard picklock switchblade. :)
Nice one ::tu::

Here are a few.......
Thanks, and great examples of some cool old Italian models.