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Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:33 am
by RalphAlsip
This is a brand that I don't try to collect, but I do collect Cattle knives. How's that for a rationalization?

I think this knife dates from around 1950, or maybe a few years earlier. It looks to be in original condition (check out the bluing on the punch blade) with some pitting on the blade spines and on the backsprings.

Thanks for looking

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:45 am
by dcgm4
No need to rationalize when a knife has stag that nice! ::tu::

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 11:18 am
by LongBlade
Nice knife Ralph - nice all the way around ::tu:: ::tu:: ... The rationalization part of buying knives is way too easy..... think that is part of the disease if I am not mistaken :lol: - at least for me ::facepalm:: ... probably the reason I have a smaller collection of knives I call "Special Opportunties" ::nod::

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 11:25 am
by royal0014
Beautiful piece! Got a cattle-bug myself 8)

Please, NO offense intended, but what's with the punch?
Kinda looks like sharpie instead of 'bluing' .. .. .. ::shrug::

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 2:04 pm
by tongueriver
That is a lovely knife. My impression on the bluing is that it is the result of case hardening in a bone and charcoal fire. Is this so, or am I dreaming (again)?

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 2:23 pm
by RalphAlsip
Thanks all for the kind words about the knife.

With regard to the bluing on the punch blade... I have seen bluing on the concave part of the punch blade on several different brands. I don't know how it gets on the blade in the first place, but the "case hardening" thought seems plausible. My uninformed speculation is that the blade polishing part of the finishing process does not get applied to the concave part of the blade. So it would be more about not removing it vs. applying it.

Maybe someone with more knowledge of the metal forging and finishing process will see this and comment.

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 2:56 pm
by bighomer
Beautiful knife, I never try rationalizing about accumulating anything, it's just fun, life is short enjoy while you can. ::nod:: ::tu::

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:04 pm
by Mumbleypeg
Jerry that's a unique old beauty - great find!

That's the same rationalization that took me from having nearly all Case knives, to a mess of various whittlers and scout patterns, to whatever has nice bone or stag. ::dang::

However I'm proud to say I've somehow managed to gain some control - my current focus is limited "to infinity and beyond!". ::facepalm::

Ken

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:14 pm
by RalphAlsip
Thanks Ken. LOL on your definition of "control". It seems to be working - you have broad range of beautiful knives ::tu::

Hope the stormy weather is staying away from your part of the world. The tornado video I saw captured in Kansas yesterday was awe inspriring and terrifying at the same time.

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 2:42 am
by Mason
Great looking and well made knife RalphAlsip, and I think you are right on the money with the C. 1950 dating.
Here is a spring fired lever action model from the same time period. I love the blade stamps on these knives.

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 4:50 pm
by RalphAlsip
Thank you Mason. Your auto knife is a really great example, too!

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 10:13 pm
by Miller Bro's
Nice knives, they used some very attractive stag on their knives. ::drool::

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:48 pm
by galvanic1882
Nice knives and I agree with MB that is some nice stag especially on the cattle knife!!

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:37 pm
by kootenay joe
Levine lists Graef & Schmidt as an importer of Henckels knives located in NYC from 1883-c1948, and as a manufacturer in NYC & Irvington N.J. from 1940-52. Welkut branding was used for the 1940-52 knives.
So this Welkut Cattle knife was made in USA ? even though tang is marked "Germany" ?
Can someone please explain this ?
thanks, kj

Re: Graef & Schmidt Welkut Stag Cattle

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:21 pm
by terryl308
::shrug:: RalphAlsip, nice cattle knife but the punch blade I don't believe is "heat colored" for sure not color case . Looks more like someone put some Dikem or blue marker on it instead. Dikem is a dye used by machinest to mark patterns on bare steel, put the blue dye on then scratch their pattern in it before machining. Any way Nice Knife! Terry ::handshake::