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Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:02 pm
by hogwild
Never seen this before. Did Case produce a copperlock CV with the stars and bars emblem inlaid? Gave a fair price for it being a copperlock CV and would like to verify if factory. Thanks Greg
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:55 pm
by RandyFew
I don't think that Case would take a chance alienating a segment of potential knife purchasers. My guess that this was an aftermarket accessory put on this authentic knife. JMHO
Randy
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:14 pm
by wazu013
You're right,it's an add on. Smoky Mtn knife Works or Frost would have it authorized by Case. You should be able to email SMKW or Case for an answer.
email address for SMKW
[email protected]
Click on this link to ask Case about it.
http://www.wrcase.com/support/contact/
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:24 am
by philco
I know a knife dealer who does those types of alterations, adding secondary sheilds to new knives. He also has the equipment to etch blades or stencil graphics onto smooth handles. These alterations allow him to tap a market that might not otherwise purchase knives.
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:57 am
by hogwild
I figured I'd get some well thought out responses. Thanks fellows. It was done quite well. I know the symbol has been twisted out of sorts. I'm an old southern man and a careful reading of history can enlighten folks about the true nature of the southern revolt.
We're all told it was a slavery issue. No; it is actually about an issue we are living in today. that is, states rights VS an all powerful central government run amock.
But again; thanks for the good input. Greg
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:37 am
by philco
You're exactly right about how we've been mislead regarding the history. The slavery issue was an afterthought.
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:16 am
by msteele6
Yes, the Civil War was fought over states rights, the right in question was the "right" to own slaves.
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:25 am
by royal0014
Almost 150 years later, and we still argue over the reasoning ... ...
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:57 pm
by RobesonsRme.com
It's a point that will be forever argued.
How many men in The Confederate Army or Navy do you suppose actually owned slaves?
I'm sure someone has surmised an answer to that, but I don't know it.
I suspect "State's Rights!" was the rallying cry that prompted the common man to leave home and family and serve. I don't have any idea how many would have done so if the cry had been "My Slaves!!".
I had great grandfathers that served and a great uncle that died a POW in a Union camp, but I would not display the Confederate Battle Flag on my car, in my yard, or on my knife. As said, the significance has been distorted. The KKK managed that by waving it around at their cross burnings and rallies.
I live in a mixed race neighborhood and all my neighbors are great people. I would not wish to offend a single one by putting a Battle Flag tag on my truck.
I think Ken Burns' documentary, The Civil War, should be shown and discussed in schools, as should The Revolutionary War, WWI and WWII. Our children and grandchildren are growing up with a sense of American history that essentially begins after WWII.
I find the two videos below to be poignant. It was the common man that fought and died, on both sides. We should never erase that portion of our history or distort it in any way.
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Please don't think for a moment that I wish The South should have won the war. God forbid. America is as she should be in that regard.
Charlie Noyes
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:12 pm
by Colonel26
Slavery was bad. Even many slave owners knew that. Unfortunately, much of the south was trapped in an economic situation where it was hard to let go of it, and northern businesses benefited greatly from both the trade and the goods produced by slavery, let us not forget that. As a lateral descendent of Stonewall Jackson, and a direct descendent of Union soldiers, I'm proud of my history on both sides.
I like the knife.
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:05 pm
by jerryd6818
I had comments relating to the previous posts so for fear of running this thread completely off the tracks, I started another thread dedicated to the last few posts in what I feel is a more appropriate forum to the subject. For any who may wish to post comments pertinent to this subject you can find a new thread titled The Civil War at
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... 89&t=44731
Re: Factory or not copperlock with stars and bars
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:52 pm
by Salernoslim
Colonel26 wrote:Slavery was bad. Even many slave owners knew that. Unfortunately, much of the south was trapped in an economic situation where it was hard to let go of it, and northern businesses benefited greatly from both the trade and the goods produced by slavery, let us not forget that. As a lateral descendent of Stonewall Jackson, and a direct descendent of Union soldiers, I'm proud of my history on both sides.
I like the knife.
Very cool that you're a descendent of stonewall Jackson col. He was a great man and my favorite historical figure. He was a man of uncompromising faith, moral standard, honor, and sense of duty.