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Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:41 am
by daddynewton
Lately I have took an interest in rough black knives. I had not thought much about it till I sold an old Kent 2 bladed jack in rough black. The friend I sold it to showed it to me after he cleaned it up. Ever since I wished I had kept it. Oh well, it is in good hands and it has made me appreciate rough black a little more. Today seemed like a rough black kinda day. Googled rough black and got some porn. Googled rough black knife and came up with the fact that during WWII it was called gum fuddy. It was first used because traditional handle materials were scarce. I couldn't find a thread dedicated to rough black. I know you guys have some great rough black so lets see it. Here is my favorite rough black edc a High Carbon Steel and a Robeson I picked up last week.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:11 am
by garddogg56
Here s my favorite rough black Joseph Rodgers.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:15 am
by singin46
Nice Garddog!!

You betcha! This is my one and only right now but I have bought and sold many over the years. This CaseXX 35 1/2 is not goin anywhere.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:18 am
by 1967redrider
I'll add a couple; Case 62031 1/2 and a 6347 SHP.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:23 am
by singin46
Those are nice Red!

Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:39 am
by vikingdog
Great looking knives. So what is rough black made of? Gum fuddy, I like that.

Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:06 pm
by stockman
My only one
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:16 pm
by daddynewton
That's a nice one garddogg56. That is downright gnarly lol. Case calls it a nearly indestructible synthetic vikingdog. Great looking knives guy. This has been one rough week for me. Seems like nothing has went right. If I had packed a nice bone handle knife I surely would have dropped and chipped it.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:25 pm
by tjmurphy
Here's a rough black that I have that I kinda like. BOKER USA. No pattern number. The "rough black" are apparently celluloid?
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:57 pm
by daddynewton
Nice TJ, I don't think it is celluloid. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me will chime in.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:55 pm
by wazu013
Here's a tested 6445.

Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:04 pm
by tjmurphy
Maybe the handles on the BOKER are not rough black then, but there is definately some out-gassing going on based on the staining of the blade.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:15 pm
by garddogg56
Thanks Perry and DadNewton.I have a stockman version of TJ's she is always in my truck console my do-all knife in rough black.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:13 am
by tjmurphy
vikingdog wrote:Great looking knives.
So what is rough black made of? Gum fuddy, I like that.

I'd like to see the answer to that question too.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:57 am
by vikingdog
Here's as much as I've found out so far T.J. "Rough Black was used as a substitute for bone stag during and shortly after World War II. Called Plastag by W. R. Case &Sons, it has a rubber like base and has no set pattern of jigging."
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:00 am
by daddynewton
I think rough black may be like bakelite or some other manmade synthetic plastic made of chemicals. Every chemical company probably has there own brand or name for it. Celluloid is a semiorganic plastic subject to decomposition. Which there may have been some rough black made of celluloid.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:20 am
by tjmurphy
Thanks Mike and Newton. I did a forum search and found a thread that one person said that "rough black" could sometimes be celluloid. The term is a little ambiguous at best. I'm thinking that the BOKER USA that I posted is rough black made from celluloid, based on the shading of the blade that sits above the frame.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:52 pm
by MrBlister
H E T ! ! !! !! ! !! !!
Here's one them ole thangs.. whatcha think???
regards Puma Pants
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:50 am
by daddynewton
That is very nice MrB.

Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:35 pm
by Beechtree
This one is reminiscent of garddogg's. AMERICAN KNIFE CO. WINSTED CONN 1919-1948 cattle knife.
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:45 am
by cattaraugus57
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:47 am
by junebug
dang that is sweeeet beechtree

Re: Rough Black
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:14 am
by garddogg56
MAN Beechtree those blades are in fine shape

Re: Rough Black
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:44 am
by zp4ja
Nice knives All!
All I know is CASE knives so just an observation. Not sure of other brands.
Two types were made. Out of the same material, don't know for sure but I do not think so.
One is the gum fuddy and the other is jigged imitation bone.
Jerry
Re: Rough Black
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:49 am
by 1967redrider
Sweet knives, keep 'em coming!
