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Hatch English Jack

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:21 pm
by Beechtree
I came across this and was of course intrigued, unfortunately upon closer examination it appears to be a counterfeit. There are a few issues...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-New-England ... 3f23d97eb8

1) The ill fitting scales on the mark side. There is quite a gap between the bolster and the scale.
2) The jigging does not look like any other Bridgeport Hatch I have seen.
3) The width of the countersinking on central pin seems to be inconsistent with old (pre-1900) new england cutlery.
4) The number on the back on the master blade "46", I have not come across another Hatch with a number, although they might be out there.
5) I think this knife would have a long pull and not a nail nick on the master blade.
6) I cant put my finger on it, but the master blade looks odd with the frame.
7) From what I can see from the tang stamp, it looks to be a modern stamping.

This is my two cents and I could well be wrong, judge for you self. Here is a link to a Hatch English Jack which I believe to be authentic.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... 2&start=15

Hope this helps to keep some money in your pocket!

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:24 pm
by Dragunski
I don't like the edge of the bolsters, where they meet the handles. They look bent - on both sides. This could be the lighting or the photography, but it looks like the edges have been re-worked, maybe to meet a thinner handle.

Most quality American knives from this period have a seamless look (or feel) to this junction of bolster and handle, and this one doesn't. Perhaps the gap let the wheel slip slightly into it when the knife was being buffed.

Maybe it's only been rehandled. I don't know enough about this brand to comment on the other issues.

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:03 pm
by Beechtree
Agreed Dragunski,
The bolster edges do appear to have been tampered with, maybe to make a more secure fit with smaller scales as you say. I would lean towards this knife having been pieced together and I doubt if it has any Hatch parts in it.

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:15 pm
by Miller Bro's
I would like to see closeup pictures of the tang stamps ::nod::

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:36 pm
by Beechtree
Miller Bro`s wrote:I would like to see closeup pictures of the tang stamps ::nod::
I as well, particularly on the master blade.

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:38 pm
by Miller Bro's
E-mail the seller and see if he will provide them.

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:20 pm
by Dragunski
There is something else weird here. If you look closely, it seems that the dings in the edge of the bolster line up with the jigging in the scales. Could it be possible that the jigging was done AFTER it was on the knife? Wow!

Then the guy tried to go back and smooth off the damage he'd done to the bolsters...

All that stuff would scare me right off.

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:01 pm
by mumblypeg
Buffing the bolsters with the jigged bone in place causes the indentions. It kind of notches the bolster where the bone is lower.

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:33 pm
by peanut740
I agree.

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:48 pm
by Beechtree
Good to know mumblypeg.

Re: Hatch English Jack

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:24 am
by 1967redrider
I've seen Case knives with bolster indents that match the jigging. Not saying I think this knife is legit though. Like Miller I'd want to see the tang stamps better. ::nod::