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A celluloid video

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:46 pm
by muskrat man
just a quick video I shot this morning on celluloid, I get more repairs and questions about celluloid than anything else
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2wv-auh ... e=youtu.be

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:10 pm
by Lawrence
Thanks for taking the time to make the video and for posting...I picked up some great new information! Good work ::tu::

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:32 pm
by PigSticker
Good video--I've got a big Winchester Candy Stripe that shows signs of gassing on the back side--when the bolsters start changing are you able to save those by polishing or will those need replaced?

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:45 pm
by PigSticker
Kyle here's a pic of the knife I mentioned in the above post I'd like it re-handled pm me if you're interested in doing it

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:13 pm
by muskrat man
bolsters and most blades can be polished out. usually the only irreversible damage is busted liners or deeply pitted blades. But liners can be replaced. The winchesters made on the case classic tooling such as yours are bad about outgassing. shoot me an email with what you'd like done to it [email protected]

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:24 pm
by PigSticker
OK check you mail

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:59 pm
by tjmurphy
Very good video MM. It amazes me that modern makers are still using the material knowing what it is going to do down the road. The Case Classics seem to go pretty quickly. In the guitar and mandolin world, the early instrument makers used celluloid for binding around the body of the instrument and for the knobs on the tuning machines. Needless to say, there have been a lot of very expensive refinishings done through the years caused by the out gassing of the binding.

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:05 am
by Capt. Farrel
That´s quite an interesting topic. I just wonder when they stopped using the "real" celluloid, especially in german production. The celluloid of the old days was hazardous stuff and many severe fires and explosions occurred back in the day. Lot´s of film material got lost due to fires and it was banned because of this. Apparently celluloid is still used for table tennis balls and fountain pens today. This seems very strange to me as it is a very dangerous material. Typical celluloid contains up to 80% nitrocellulose which is also know under the term "guncotton".

So are the handles of, let´s say 80ies Fight n Roosters, still made of the real celluloid? ::hmm:: I can´t imagine cutlers in safety obsessed Germany grinding happiliy away celluloid handles. ::shrug::

Frank

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:27 pm
by orvet
Good informative video Kaleb! ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:40 pm
by muskrat man
Capt. Farrel wrote:That´s quite an interesting topic. I just wonder when they stopped using the "real" celluloid, especially in german production. The celluloid of the old days was hazardous stuff and many severe fires and explosions occurred back in the day. Lot´s of film material got lost due to fires and it was banned because of this. Apparently celluloid is still used for table tennis balls and fountain pens today. This seems very strange to me as it is a very dangerous material. Typical celluloid contains up to 80% nitrocellulose which is also know under the term "guncotton".

So are the handles of, let´s say 80ies Fight n Roosters, still made of the real celluloid? ::hmm:: I can´t imagine cutlers in safety obsessed Germany grinding happiliy away celluloid handles. ::shrug::

Frank
celluloid was in common useage up until at least the 90's on case classics and some bulldogs/roosters up until the late 80's I believe

Re: A celluloid video

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:00 pm
by Capt. Farrel
It would be nice to know an more or less exact date and what material they use now instead of celluloid. I guess I will call the Olbertz factory if I can find the time.

Frank