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Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:51 pm**

Shearer wrote:Here a yellow handled McGrew that turned up today .

....this has to be the same as a Camillus yello-jaket,right????.........................

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Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:20 pm**

carrmillus wrote:
Shearer wrote:Here a yellow handled McGrew that turned up today .
....this has to be the same as a Camillus yello-jaket,right????......................... .............

Yes. You nailed it Tommy. Camillus Yello-Jaket with the McGrew tang stamp.

Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:40 pm**

jerryd6818 wrote:
carrmillus wrote:
Shearer wrote:Here a yellow handled McGrew that turned up today .
....this has to be the same as a Camillus yello-jaket,right????......................... .............
Yes. You nailed it Tommy. Camillus Yello-Jaket with the McGrew tang stamp.

........I never knew they made the yello-jaket for companies!...thanks,jerry!!........

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Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:48 am**

Here's A Hibbard Spenser and Bartlett I received in the mail.It has a broken coping blade and wear on the other two blades.Nickel silver and milled back of liners.All three blades are stamped Hibbard Spencer Bartlett USA and True Value on shield

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:12 am**

Very cool! That's another one I didn't know existed.

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:32 am**

Grant -- I looked up the listing on eBay and the main blade looks to be flat ground. The knife has all the features of a #80 Deluxe but doesn't appear to have been made by Camillus. Very interesting knife.

Edit: The one listed on eBay had all three blades tipped. Did you reprofile them?

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:46 am**

Colonel26 wrote:Very cool! That's another one I didn't know existed.

Yeah, me too Cuz.

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:37 pm**

jerryd6818 wrote:
Colonel26 wrote:Very cool! That's another one I didn't know existed.
Yeah, me too Cuz.

.......ditto for me, too!!!!...................

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Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:18 pm**

jerryd6818 wrote:Grant -- I looked up the listing on eBay and the main blade looks to be flat ground. The knife has all the features of a #80 Deluxe but doesn't appear to have been made by Camillus. Very interesting knife.

Jerry it is different to a 80.The nail pull and the 80 has a extra liner and the milled back liners are different.Its a the same as the Camillus first generation set up.I cannot decide who made it as it has something different to all my other knives.

Edit: The one listed on eBay had all three blades tipped. Did you reprofile them?

Jerry .
Yes
When you do wood turning you have a wet stone grinder to sharpen the chisels and it becomes very handy to repair blades on knives.Its slow but it puts no heat into the blade.

Grant
PS I don't know how I got the first part of my answer in you quote.

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:09 pm**

I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. The features of the 80 I was talking about was the nickel silver pins and liners along with the milling on the bottom of the liners even though the milling is a different pattern than the 80. Of course the nail nick is different than the long pull of the 80. The knives are different yet still similar. It's strange.

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:53 pm**

I might have missed this at some point, but has anybody been able to pin down the first occurrence of this pattern? I wonder who was the first to make is swell center stockman with whittler blades. Was it in the 19th or 20th centuries?

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:05 pm**

Wade, for a long time I've beat the drum for 1946 as the introduction of this pattern but I've acquired a West Winstead Empire and a High Carbon Steel Sta-Sharp that have me rethinking that date. Plus, somewhere, I have a picture that was listed as a pre-WWII advertisement (can't find it right now) that shows a Camillus 72.

Bottom line. The jury is still out.

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:36 pm**

jerryd6818 wrote:I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. The features of the 80 I was talking about was the nickel silver pins and liners along with the milling on the bottom of the liners even though the milling is a different pattern than the 80. Of course the nail nick is different than the long pull of the 80. The knives are different yet still similar. It's strange.

Jerry.
I think the knife was made by Camillus .When you have it along side a early Schrade 863 there is a bit of different in the top bolster( larger ).Also the handles are held on by a similar system Camillus used(no handle pins )
Schrade is more rounded.Here is a picture of Schrade , Camillus first generation and Hibbard.
The second picture is Camillus ,Schrade and Hibbard.I put it on a different background. It might make it easier to spot the difference.
I compared it to the Kutmaster and there is a lot differences

Grant

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:20 pm**

The Kastor list says HSBs were made by Camillus but it says they were also made by other companies. Look inside the blade well. If it's the prong method of attaching the handles, I'd be willing to go with Camillus plus I don't think I've ever seen anyone besides Camillus doing the Nickel Silver liners and pins thing (doesn't mean it didn't happen though).

Posted: **Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:08 pm**

jerryd6818 wrote:The Kastor list says HSBs were made by Camillus but it says they were also made by other companies. Look inside the blade well. If it's the prong method of attaching the handles, I'd be willing to go with Camillus plus I don't think I've ever seen anyone besides Camillus doing the Nickel Silver liners and pins thing (doesn't mean it didn't happen though).

It is the prong method.
In blades 7th Edition;
Hibbard Spencer Bartlett & Co.
Trademarks (or references ) O.V.D.,True Value by New York knife,Ulster,Camillus Utica etc.Became True Value Hardware 1855-c1960

Grant

Posted: **Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:05 pm**

I guess I should post this Shapleigh Keen Kutter K30 here since it was more than likely made by Camillus. Except for a few rust spots, it's in near factory condition. Still has the factory grind on the blades and the grinds show no wear. Very good for (probably) being made in the 1950s.
Thanks for the heads up on this one T.J.

Posted: **Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:44 pm**

jerryd6818 wrote:I guess I should post this Shapleigh Keen Kutter K30 here since it was more than likely made by Camillus. Except for a few rust spots, it's in near factory condition. Still has the factory grind on the blades and the grinds show no wear. Very good for (probably) being made in the 1950s.
Thanks for the heads up on this one T.J.

Nice knife Jerry.
Lucky to get that one.

Grant

Posted: **Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:48 pm**

That one is purty!

Posted: **Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:30 pm**

Been meaning to take pictures and post this 'un for a month now

In November 2012, the wife and I went to the Bear and Son sale at the factory. There is a thread around here somewhere....
My wife bought two knives that day, with the intention of gifting them to a friend's sons for Christmas.
Once home, they were put aside and lost. We recently 'found' them again. One of them was this 72 clone. I asked hunny-buns if I could take it to use, just to see what all the noise is about

Coming from the B&S sale its a second, but other than a small chip out of the bone right next to the liner I can find nothing wrong with it. The gunk in the jigging may clean off

Good snap and plenty sharp!

Posted: **Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:58 pm**

Royal -- Did you post the right pictures? That one is a late model Camillus 1047 (Scout variation of the 72).

Posted: **Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:32 am**

Yes, this knife came from the B&S factory. The other knife my wife bought that day is a
large serp. stockman marked "Walden Knife Co."

Posted: **Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:45 am**

Well, I'll be dipped. And here all this time, I was under the impression that all they sold at that whoop-dee-doo was Bear branded knives. No wonder you make it a point to get over there.

Posted: **Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:02 am**

The majority of the sale is Bear-branded, but it is all seconds and over-runs,
so it is whatever they made the last year, plus what didn't sell from previous years (my observation).
I have also seen Schrade Walden, Walden Knife Co, Keen Kutter....

They made an announcement a couple of months back of a 'partnership agreement' with Remington.
Not alot of detail .. .. .. http://www.bearandsoncutlery.com/

If you are interested in the knife I have, we could work sumthin' out, before I get attached to it....

Posted: **Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:41 am**

Thanks for the offer but I have several.

As far as the Remington partnership, Camillus was making Remington's before they went out of business and it's my understanding Bear & Son took over. I know Bear made the Remington Scout knives because I bought one as a gift for a friend and had to send it back so they could make it fit to give to my buddy.

Posted: **Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:20 pm**

About bone handles on the Camillus 72s........

There is no doubt the 1946 72 had bone handles.
I've heard that if Camillus called handles Staged as in the 1948 and 1955 catalog, they meant bone.
In the 1957 catalog, the handles were called Brownstag®. Note the registered trademark symbol on that name. I believe that was what they called the brown synthetic handles. (what I call "Rough Brown")
They just called it "Stag" in the 1965 catalog. This was so close to the premier of Delrin® handles (1969-1970 according to Wallace Rockwell) that I'm not sure what that was.
By the time the 1972 catalog came out they were going great guns with Delrin® and calling it Cabone.

Notice also that sometime between 1965 and 1972 they dropped Carpenters from the name and just called it a Whittler (did that come with the Delrin® in 1969-1970???)

Comments, facts, speculation, thoughts, opinions and flat out guesses welcome.

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