All About Pocket Knives

QTCut5 wrote:Why do you think it might not be genuine?

Did you read my PM where I suspect the same thing as Tom. I did include some detail.

Jerry

Alas, you can fool some of the people sometime but not all.

Joe

SWEET LOOKIN KNIFE EITHER WAY , "Q"

ya REALLY REALLY REALLY gotta watch them CASE $1 ,and 25cent/ quarter knives, stamped,etc knives

QTCut5 wrote:Why do you think it might not be genuine?

Most collector's are of the opinion that the 1.00 knife was never produced. I believe Jim Parker may have had some made in Gernany at a more recent date but they were not made in the Tested era. I believe the ones Parker had produced had wood handles.
Your knife looks more like a modern knife that was stamped with the 1.00 stamp. Other collectors here can hopefully add their opinions as well.

Tom

Interesting...So, what I'm hearing from the experts here on AAPK (whom I totally believe and trust) is that this knife was not made by Case but by some other manufacturer (possibly Jim Parker), and it was not made in the 1920-40 era either--and yet it was stamped with a tang stamp that is neither technically nor historically accurate.

Hmmmm?!!! This is a real dilemma for me because I really believed I was purchasing a "Vintage Case Knife" which is exactly how it was advertised...and now I feel as if I've been hoodwinked, hornswagled and decieved. Don't misunderstand me, it is a cool little black pearl knife, I really do like it and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it per se...other than the fact that it carries a bogus tang stamp. But it bothers me that the tang is stamped with an inaccurate, incorrect, phony stamp. My first inclination is to return it to the seller and demand a refund for false advertising. But, then it ocurred to me...every single one of my Northwoods also carries a stamp that is technically incorrect or misleading in that they were all made either by Queen or GEC in Titusville, PA...NOT by Northwoods which is based in Oregon (and soon to be moving to Michigan). Same goes for my Scagels...and others which were actually made by Queen but have no indication whatsoever of their true origin stamped anywhere on the knife.

I guess in the end, I like the knife enough to keep it, but it will always bother me to know that it's not really what it purports to be. Also, knowing what I now know, I feel I overpaid for it. Perhaps the best course of action would be to try to get a partial refund from the seller upon threat of returning it for a full refund.

Any thoughts, recommendations or further insights would be greatly appreciated. What would you do in this situation if you were me?

~Q~

I had a similar thing happen to me recently. bought what I thought was an old Russell folder.
Apparently it's an old knife with Russell stamps but the stamps are not old. Hell, I don't know.
I hate gawddam frauds!
If ya want to jump in the ring you're gonna get a few scrapes. Live and learn I say. I take it upon myself to take a few lumps. But I will say I sure have enjoyed buying knives on e-bay and I will buy more. Tomorrows a brighter day.

QTCut5 wrote:Interesting...So, what I'm hearing from the experts here on AAPK (whom I totally believe and trust) is that this knife was not made by Case but by some other manufacturer (possibly Jim Parker), and it was not made in the 1920-40 era either--and yet it was stamped with a tang stamp that is neither technically nor historically accurate.

Hmmmm?!!! This is a real dilemma for me because I really believed I was purchasing a "Vintage Case Knife" which is exactly how it was advertised...and now I feel as if I've been hoodwinked, hornswagled and decieved. Don't misunderstand me, it is a cool little black pearl knife, I really do like it and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it per se...other than the fact that it carries a bogus tang stamp. But it bothers me that the tang is stamped with an inaccurate, incorrect, phony stamp. My first inclination is to return it to the seller and demand a refund for false advertising. But, then it ocurred to me...every single one of my Northwoods also carries a stamp that is technically incorrect or misleading in that they were all made either by Queen or GEC in Titusville, PA...NOT by Northwoods which is based in Oregon (and soon to be moving to Michigan). Same goes for my Scagels...and others which were actually made by Queen but have no indication whatsoever of their true origin stamped anywhere on the knife.

I guess in the end, I like the knife enough to keep it, but it will always bother me to know that it's not really what it purports to be. Also, knowing what I now know, I feel I overpaid for it. Perhaps the best course of action would be to try to get a partial refund from the seller upon threat of returning it for a full refund.

Any thoughts, recommendations or further insights would be greatly appreciated. What would you do in this situation if you were me?

~Q~

Q,
If I were you I would return it for a full refund if it was advertised as a genuine Tested Era knife. The seller may not have known this when they advertised it for sale. If you want to keep it as a novelty you may go the partial refund route. ultimately it is up to you of course. Good luck whatever you decide. ::
Tom

Q, it's sad to say but if you've been suffering this knife collecting disease for long, you're gonna get burned occasionally. If it's any consolation, I've got a fake Case Tested stag whittler that still sticks in my craw after 40 years (long before Al Gore invented the Internet , and consequently long before eBay). I keep it around just to remind me. So hope you don't feel too bad about it.

Ken

That's a good idea, Ken...thanks for the consolation, too. Like I said, it's not that the knife itself has anything wrong with it, I just hate the idea that I didn't get what I thought I was paying for (and consequently paid way more than this knife is actually worth). I think I'll try the partial refund route...I really don't think the seller was intentionally trying to fool anyone, he probably didn't know any better either. It's strange how quickly one's elation at a new knife acquisition can turn to disappointment merely by virtue of gaining new information about it. But I think a partial refund would go a long way towards easing that bitter aftertaste I keep getting everytime I look at it.

Thanks for the enlightenment and kind words...you guys are the best.

~Q~

Ivoryman wrote:

1967redrider wrote: WOW, that abalone really pops!

Great quote Redrider, my second favorite line from one of my favorite movies as you can tell.

Not to derail this thread but when I was thinking about a signature quote the first movies that came to mind were Spaghetti Westerns and then I remembered Clint Eastwood talking about a knife once. After a little IMDB searching I found what I was looking for.

Mahalo to all for the enlightenment and sharing of expertise/experiences. Just so you're not left wondering...I've contacted the seller and offered to accept a partial refund and keep the knife (as a novelty), or return the knife for a full refund. Still waiting for his response. But, I assured him that I did not feel he was intentionally trying to deceive me, it was an honest mistake by someone who didn't know but thought they had the genuine article. We'll see which route he chooses, and I'll keep you posted on the outcome.

Thanks again for all the input. Much appreciated.

Cheers & Aloha
~Q~

If the seller won't give a refund you can get your money back through eBay. I've gone that route before and it does work.

The knife is certainly not authentic.

UPDATE: Seller has agreed to provide a full refund upon return of the knife. I told him I really wanted to believe that he wasn't aware that it was a counterfeit, but now that he knows it is, should he attempt to sell it again I strongly urged him to make it clear to any potential bidders exactly what it is and not try to fool any unsuspecting/naive and trusting people as it will only lead to more disappointment and eventually distrust. If I should happen to see it offered on eBay again under the same false pretenses, I will be sure to mention it on this forum for all to see and avoid a potentially deceptive and dishonest seller.

Thanks again to all who offered insight and condolences...somehow that lessens the sting I feel for being such a naive trusting fool. Caveat Emptor!

Cheers & Aloha,
~Q~

Q,
The seller you got the knife from shows up in the counterfeit forum pretty frequently. He has a few listed right now that are not authentic.
Very sad for the guys getting started in knife collecting.

Tom

You are absolutely correct, Tom, that is very sad, indeed...sad that someone would knowingly and intentionally try to take advantage of honest, trusting people. Although I've been collecting knives for quite awhile, I've only just recently started looking at older knives (mostly to give as gifts to my friends who collect vintage knives). So, when I saw this one, my heart skipped a beat because I thought I had stumbled onto something special and rare. It's a good lesson to me to do a bit of research before purchasing something I know nothing about. The truth is, I just got too excited and I was afraid someone else would grab it before I could--it never even occurred to me that it might be a fake--this is the first time this has ever happened to me. Lesson learned. At least the seller didn't give me any hassle (so far) about returning it.

I know that my generally trusting nature can sometimes lead to unfortunate disappointments such as in this instance...but, that's just how I am...I tend to trust people first and only lose trust once they've given me a good reason not to trust them. But, once I've been cheated, deceived or lied to by someone I trusted, it's practically impossible for me to trust them ever again. Trust is a gift, and once abused, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to regain. Bite me once, that's your mistake; but, bite me twice and I only have myself to blame for trusting you a second time (however, you're going to have to be constantly looking over your shoulder because, if necessary, I will eventually get satisfaction...one way or another). I can forgive almost anything, but I NEVER forget.

~Q~

1975 6308 Whittler with brown bone. Smallest whittler I've seen and makes for almost going unnoticed in the pocket of cargo shorts or pants. Light, versatile, solid, tight, no wobble, on the verge of bear trap. Feels more solid and heavy duty than any of my 21st Century Case whittlers. Fully concealable in a closed fist so they won't even see it coming.

I have a 1979 6308 I got from Elvis. Really a great little knife.

Ivoryman wrote:Fully concealable in a closed fist so they won't even see it coming.

Dude, surely you're not intending to use this little whittler as some kind of weapon?

Or did you mean the pieces of wood you're planning to whittle won't see it coming? Is the wood in Seattle particularly jumpy, nervous or prone to attacks of anxiety (due to being "watered" by recycled Starbucks coffee, perhaps)?

~Q~

QTCut5 wrote:

Ivoryman wrote:Fully concealable in a closed fist so they won't even see it coming.

Dude, surely you're not intending to use this little whittler as some kind of weapon?

Or did you mean the pieces of wood you're planning to whittle won't see it coming? Is the wood in Seattle particularly jumpy, nervous or prone to attacks of anxiety (due to being "watered" by recycled Starbucks coffee, perhaps)?

~Q~

Ahhh ha ha ha, that's funny Q. That was some sarcastic attempt at humor on my end, I don't use them for weapons, just cutting tools and accessories, eye candy and jewelry. But folded up it's fully concealed in the fist for a guide to gage the size with. Hope that didn't offend anyone out there. Never used it for attack or defense.... yet.

Ivoryman, great looking whittler!

My newest Case are the oldest Case. Half Stockman '40-64. Love to know how old this really is, but ya know how it is. Oh well.

Newest pick up. A gift from my wife while on vacation.

Red Stag Half Whittler '95 if my Roman is accurate.

1967redrider wrote:Ivoryman, great looking whittler!

Mordecai: "What about after? What about after we do it, what about then?"
No Name: "Then you live with it."
-High Plains Drifter

Ivoryman, Here's one of my favorite Clint Eastwood lines!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFJCMIcZ_iU