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Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:39 pm
by galvanic1882
danno50 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:51 pm
Incredible horticultural sets, Mike!
Could the stamp on the new one possibly be W. Thorpe, not Thoppe? Tweedale has 4 listings for Thorpe. There was a William Thorpe who was involved with a couple of different partnerships between 1816 and 1831. It appears that William Thorpe continued alone from 1831 to 1833, when he died.
I sent you a PM.
Looks like your right Dan looks like Thorpe when I took the picture! You are the man thanks
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:13 am
by danno50
Always happy on the few times I can be of some help.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:08 pm
by galvanic1882
Just got this info from Bernard Levine on these sets.
Hello Mike
Edmond's patent abstract attached.
English patent numbers restarted at #1 every January 1 from 1855 to ~1915.
Defined by hooked tang and hinged seal cap to unlock the blades.
The mechanism on ixltakedown1.jpg is MUCH older. Similar is shown in Smith's Key from 1816. I suspect it was already old then.
I'll see if I can post the abstract of the patent.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:16 pm
by galvanic1882
Here is the abstract for the Edmonds patent
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:11 pm
by danno50
Nice to get the patent information. Would this mechanism have been in use prior to the patent being issued? If the knife was not made until close to 1899, the Thorpe I referenced cannot be the maker, as he died in 1833?
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:59 pm
by galvanic1882
Good question that I don't know the answer to
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:41 pm
by JohnR
Added a couple more, a New York Knife Co and a Joseph Rodgers&Sons.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:58 pm
by LongBlade
Awesome John - both sweet but great scratted handle on Rodgers
... I saw that Rodgers come up but when I clicked on listing it was gone
...
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:07 pm
by JohnR
LongBlade wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:58 pm
Awesome John - both sweet but great scratted handle on Rodgers
... I saw that Rodgers come up but when I clicked on listing it was gone
...
Thanks Lee, that scratting is something else, I've seen these before but never thought I would be able to obtain one.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:53 pm
by btrwtr
Beautiful knives John and Mike.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:13 am
by peanut740
2 fine knives John!
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:48 pm
by Waukonda
Feelin' Hawkish......
#1 - L F & C, J Russell GRW, Northfield, Walden
#2 - Primble, Pritzlaff, Shapleigh
#3 - Camillus, NYK, Ulster
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:08 pm
by galvanic1882
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:39 pm
by JohnR
All very nice Ike but that bone Primble is special.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:36 pm
by edge213
Waukonda wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:48 pm
Feelin' Hawkish......
#1 - L F & C, J Russell GRW, Northfield, Walden
#2 - Primble, Pritzlaff, Shapleigh
#3 - Camillus, NYK, Ulster
Great collection.
I really like the Hammer Brand in the last picture in the middle.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:56 pm
by LongBlade
Really nice line-up of Hawkbills Ike - one of my favorite patterns
... Thanks for sharing!
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:00 pm
by Waukonda
Thank you all for the comments.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:53 pm
by peanut740
Ike,nice groups!That stump has been getting s workout.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:22 pm
by Waukonda
peanut740 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:53 pm
Ike,nice groups!That stump has been getting s workout.
Yeah, I have to shoo away the squirrels when it is photo time, they like to perch there.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:17 pm
by danno50
Two very nice pruners, John!
I really like the Rodgers with the scratted bone, great to get one with those handles!
Wow, Ike, great lineup of pruners!
The Primble and the Hammer Brand are my favorites of the bunch. Very nice etch on the Ulster as well.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:49 pm
by KAW
John... While that Rodger's sure has one of the fanciest handles I have ever seen on a Hawkbill, I still favor the NYK more.
Ike... That is some collection of Hawkbill you have there where there's a few that could be my favorite... let's see... eenie... meenie... miney mo... well, that Walden really catches my eye as I don't have one of those in my collection... yet...
After looking through all my former posts, I discovered I had never posted to this thread... so to correct this obvious oversight, I'm gonna started with couple Hawkbills out of Connecticut...
a Thomaston. Don't know much about this company...
and a very old Northfield with integral liners with the rat-tail bolsters. Rough lookin' butt end plate & pins holding the stag scales with lotsa space between the spring & both liners.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:46 am
by KAW
I had originally posted this knife three years ago in the Old Rope Knives thread, where it create a debate to whether it is a rope knife of a worn hawkbill. It is an Ulster Knife Co. pattern №1010.
This last Aug, I picked up another 1010 hoping it would finally end the debate once & for all... but it only created more questions for me... When compared side-by-side, both these knives marked as Ulster Knife Co. pattern №1010 have big differences. The more recent acquisition is larger with the blade sitting much prouder. The pins & their arrangement is different. Even the shape of the handles are different. There is so much of a difference between the two that now I'm wondering how could they both be identified an the 1010 pattern?
P.S. My apologies for the blurriness of the last image of the 1010 pattern number stamped on the pile side of each knife.
For those that already seen my similar post in Old Rope Knives thread, I apologize for having to read it again here, but I'm hoping someone here might help get to the bottom of why these two knives with the same pattern number are so different that I didn't get on that thread.
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:53 am
by KAW
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:08 pm
by Waukonda
Ken
Re: Old Pruning and Horticultural Knives
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:40 am
by LongBlade
KAW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:46 am
I had originally posted this knife three years ago in the Old Rope Knives thread, where it create a debate to whether it is a rope knife of a worn hawkbill. It is an Ulster Knife Co. pattern №1010.
This last Aug, I picked up another 1010 hoping it would finally end the debate once & for all... but it only created more questions for me... When compared side-by-side, both these knives marked as Ulster Knife Co. pattern №1010 have big differences. The more recent acquisition is larger with the blade sitting much prouder. The pins & their arrangement is different. Even the shape of the handles are different. There is so much of a difference between the two that now I'm wondering how could they both be identified an the 1010 pattern?
P.S. My apologies for the blurriness of the last image of the 1010 pattern number stamped on the pile side of each knife.
For those that already seen my similar post in Old Rope Knives thread, I apologize for having to read it again here, but I'm hoping someone here might help get to the bottom of why these two knives with the same pattern number are so different that I didn't get on that thread.
Nice showing of knives Ken
- quite like the Thomaston (have a soft spot for that company) and the Northfield - somebody loved that knife and it has great character and a Northfield hawkbill is not easy to find
...
My opinion on the Ulster in looking at the photo (top right quadrant side by side shot) enlarged leads me to think the 1010 blades were the same originally but one hawkbill blade was subsequently ground down by someone and thus the "rope knife" blunt tip was created... In terms of handles - handles can differ among the same pattern # blade even in the same company pending styles offered (generally larger and smaller sizes etc) or possibly there was a change by Ulster in one style handle for another as shown in photo... my 2 cents and a guess based on what I see...
