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carrmillus wrote:

jerryd6818 wrote:Thanks for the heads up Josh but it's not a 72. It's a small serpentine "Midget Stock Knife", probably about 2¾" - 3" or so closed. Maybe equivelant to a Camillus 77 (I couldn't find the equivelant Camco number). I almost jumped on it but managed to put on the brakes in time. I shot from the hip one time, looking at blades and not reading and ended up with a little #70, really, really small.

.........jerry, I've got a #77 like you are describing, and I've also got a #48, which is identical except different handles, both are long-line stamped?????................. ........................

And small.

jerryd6818 wrote:

carrmillus wrote:

jerryd6818 wrote:Thanks for the heads up Josh but it's not a 72. It's a small serpentine "Midget Stock Knife", probably about 2¾" - 3" or so closed. Maybe equivelant to a Camillus 77 (I couldn't find the equivelant Camco number). I almost jumped on it but managed to put on the brakes in time. I shot from the hip one time, looking at blades and not reading and ended up with a little #70, really, really small.

.........jerry, I've got a #77 like you are describing, and I've also got a #48, which is identical except different handles, both are long-line stamped?????................. ........................

And small.

...........both 2 3/4" closed!!!.........but I like 'em!!!........... .....................

wlf wrote:Grant,did you pressure cook the KMnO4 or just apply to the surface to get your result? Nice bone on that...... Also was it cured?

I made a small vacuum chamber and left in in for a while to get the colour I wanted and coated it with Zap CA( thin super glue ).
I tried Musketman way to apply to another knife .I used water instead of alcohol ( I could not get the alcohol to mix he must have used a different alcohol )

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... 37&t=39463

Hope this helps
Grant

Picked up a beautiful "72" High Carbon Steel on eBay last week. This has what looks like Rogers bone handles, a saber ground clip master with a match striker long pull , a pen blade next to the master and a coping blade on the other end. The eBay number is 360815571086. Maybe someone that knows how can post a link.

Here's your link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-HIGH-CARBON ... 7675.l2557

IM

GP Hill wrote:Picked up a beautiful "72" High Carbon Steel on eBay last week. This has what looks like Rogers bone handles, a saber ground clip master with a match striker long pull , a pen blade next to the master and a coping blade on the other end. The eBay number is 360815571086. Maybe someone that knows how can post a link.

I was after that knife .I am glad someone from AAPK won it.
Grant

Oh, I didn't see that one. That's a nice'un. 1st generation blades, 1946-1947, made by Camillus for Sears. Look to see if you can see the vestigages of a blade etch. Should have had "Sta-Sharp" etched on the main blade. You done good, I like it.

jerryd6818 wrote:Oh, I didn't see that one. That's a nice'un. 1st generation blades, 1946-1947, made by Camillus for Sears. Look to see if you can see the vestigages of a blade etch. Should have had "Sta-Sharp" etched on the main blade. You done good, I like it.

No blade etch visible but this knife has nickel silver liners and pins and the center liner is milled. This is one of my favorites.

GP Hill wrote:

jerryd6818 wrote:Oh, I didn't see that one. That's a nice'un. 1st generation blades, 1946-1947, made by Camillus for Sears. Look to see if you can see the vestigages of a blade etch. Should have had "Sta-Sharp" etched on the main blade. You done good, I like it.

No blade etch visible but this knife has nickel silver liners and pins and the center liner is milled. This is one of my favorites.

Oh, well, then the milled liners and nickle silver liners & pins make it a #80 DeLuxe Carpenter's and Whittler's knife, not a 72. It still could have had a blade etch "Camillus DeLuxe" on the main. Seller claims there's an etch but I can't see one in the picture.

The "High Carbon Steel" still makes it a Sears knife made by Camillus. I haven't seen one of the early ones like that.

Here is a picture of the knife.

The quality, fit and finish of this knife is outstanding. It is actually nicer than my 83 pattern case whittlers from the same time period.

I'm with ya all the way. I'm hooked on them. I bought another one last night. I didn't need it. It's not unusual but the price was right.

jerryd6818 wrote:I'm with ya all the way. I'm hooked on them. I bought another one last night. I didn't need it. It's not unusual but the price was right.

Was it a scout ??

I purchased one about a hour ago didn't need it but I could not help myself.
Grant

Nah, it's a Schrade 863 or Ulster 63 with no tang stamp or marking of any kind except for something scratched into the shield. It has a couple of issues but for $13 shipped I can overlook 'em. It will make a good EDC for someone. Pictures are bad (These are copies I cleaned up) so I missed a couple of things like the rocker pin crack on the mark side and the place on the pile side that looks like it got into a sander or grinder or something. Tell ya more about it once I get it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190988555374?ss ... t_63wt_882

Here's the one I purchased a Camillus Scout.Needs a good clean.I put one bit four days ago.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-Cami ... true&rt=nc

What makes you say that's a Scout?

Jerry: I was wrong again .Had scout on the brain and slow to loss it.

No worries mate. You're not the first one to have that happen to you.

He says the rust will just wipe right off. I guess we'll see about that.

Here a Camillus scout (1047) that's abit different.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rare-Wh ... 3a89a59d78

.........shearer, is that real pearl or synthetic?????...................... ..................

Tommy -- That came in with my saved searches this morning and I'm 99% sure it's real pearl. I'm also 99% sure it's a long line that's been rehandled.

I sent an email to Wallace Rockwell this morning asking about the knife (Wallace was The Custom Shop at Camillus until they closed their doors and he's also the guy that put the Gold Lip Pearl and Elephant Ivory on my two custom 72s). This is Wallace's response:

"Not while I was there. But this does look to be factory made. Rivets and shield look correct. May have been done by an employee. I do not think it was a production item. First time I have seen one. I have done the only pearl ones I know of.
Wallace"

I also sent a query to Tom Williams who is an AAPK member and also a long time Camillus employee, as is his mother. No answer yet from Tom.

It's pure speculation but I suspect the knife is either a recent re-handle or one other possibility, it may have been a lunch box special. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Edit: Another thing. I would have thought if Camillus made the knife, they would have had the template for the shield and the sheld would be inlet in the handle. To me, this one looks like it's glued on.

All that said, it's a VERY good looking knife.

Edit #2: It is from the late '40s or very early '50s because the blade is saber ground on both sides AND it is a genuine #1047 Scout because there is no pattern number stamped on the back of the maine blade. So that leads me to believe it originally had those black synthetic "shrinky dink" handles from that era, thus prompting a rehandle.

Ohh, that's purty! I like it.


I had a new 72 come in yesterday. When I finish cleaning it up I'll post it up and see if ol Cuz can accurately diagnose its lineage. It's a gooder'un.

I too took a peek at the MOP Scout Whittler this morning and after about 2 hours of research in my knife books, BSA National Supply Catalogs, Boy's Life Magazines and Boy Scout Handbooks I can find no evidence of Camillus ever "officially" producing a BSA Model 1047 with MOP. To be generous, this eBay seller has previously "improved" the condition of standard production BSA knives through rehandling and backspring file work.

I agree with Jerry that this is most likely a black handled 1047 rehandled with MOP.

On the other hand you could spin a great story about it being a 1 of 1 example of the 1047.......I'm sticking to my research and gut on this one.

bestgear -- I think we nailed it. Thanks for all that research. That helps a lot.


This one came in yesterday. It's not a Camillus and it has no tang stamp or factory markings of any other kind (someone has scratched something on the shield that looks kind of like Yogi).

I'm 99% sure the knife was made by the Schrade/Ulster/Imperial consortium. Handle pin placement, main blade pull and the jigging in the Delrin all just scream Schrade/Ulster to me. She's in pretty good shape for the shape she's in. Good snap, full blades and no wobble. It does have a rocker pin crack on the mark side and a couple of gouges in the pile side handle, one of which is rather large. It was reasonable and it would make a very good EDC so why not.

I just finished sharpening and cleaning up a pile of knives for a friend. This Camillus 72 was included along with the instructions to keep it for myself as payment! Well, you can't beat that with a stick! I think you'll like it, and probably recognize where it came from. Sadly it was real gunky. I polished it up. Oiled it up, and did a touch of needed reprofiling of the clip. It'll make a nice edc.