All About Pocket Knives

A fine looking Ruger Col. I've said before that I find the Commander size ideal, having the best balance for me.

garddogg56 wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:10 pm Cocked and lock the only way to go Nice Ruger

Amen!

Quick Steel wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:35 pm A fine looking Ruger Col. I've said before that I find the Commander size ideal, having the best balance for me.

I agree!

Yesterday I traveled over to Jackson, Minnesota to participate in a SASS cowboy shoot hosted by the local club there, the Fort Belmont Regulators. I was one of 18 registered shooters who competed in the 6 stage match with 2 pistols, lever action pistol caliber carbine, and shotgun. They have a nice setup for shooting the 6 stages with props and scenarios provided by the match director. I can say that the Uberti pistols, Marlin carbine, and Stoeger double 12 gauge performed flawlessly, unlike the jerk behind the trigger (me) who did not. Actually I shot well (but not particularly fast), no misses on 138 shots total, but had 1 procedural penalty on a stage that required that the targets be shot in a specific order, I messed up 1 of them. As you can see on the pictures, the props include stage 3, which was a bank robbery and shootout at the MADOFF Bank, and stage 4 which was a jail where you were required to shoot your way out and escape a lynch mob. lol Anyway, it was a BLAST, and any of your who have a SASS club near you can partake of this kind of event. The jail scenario Myself participating under my alias Farley D. Angerous The Madoff Bank, scene of a robbery and shootout.

Looks like great fun. Thanks for sharing.

OLDE CUTLER wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:00 pm Yesterday I traveled over to Jackson, Minnesota to participate in a SASS cowboy shoot hosted by the local club there, the Fort Belmont Regulators. I was one of 18 registered shooters who competed in the 6 stage match with 2 pistols, lever action pistol caliber carbine, and shotgun. They have a nice setup for shooting the 6 stages with props and scenarios provided by the match director. I can say that the Uberti pistols, Marlin carbine, and Stoeger double 12 gauge performed flawlessly, unlike the jerk behind the trigger (me) who did not. Actually I shot well (but not particularly fast), no misses on 138 shots total, but had 1 procedural penalty on a stage that required that the targets be shot in a specific order, I messed up 1 of them. As you can see on the pictures, the props include stage 3, which was a bank robbery and shootout at the MADOFF Bank, and stage 4 which was a jail where you were required to shoot your way out and escape a lynch mob. lol Anyway, it was a BLAST, and any of your who have a SASS club near you can partake of this kind of event

I'm only a 1/2 hour from Jackson. A couple of years ago I met a member from there at the local range here and was invited to come and watch. And then Covid came and you know the rest. Do you know off hand when is the next match?

OC, that looks like a hoot and a half, and I love your alias! Lol

What’s that Marilin carbine? 1894 .357?

Colonel26 wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:26 pm OC, that looks like a hoot and a half, and I love your alias! Lol

What’s that Marilin carbine? 1894 .357?

1894, 44 magnum. Of course the 44 mag is not full power but loaded to approximate old black powder velocities of the 44/40. By rule it has to be less than 1400 fps. My load is a 200 gr lead bullet and chronographs at about 1225 fps. It "dings" those metal targets real good.

Boji wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:42 pm

OLDE CUTLER wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:00 pm Yesterday I traveled over to Jackson, Minnesota to participate in a SASS cowboy shoot hosted by the local club there, the Fort Belmont Regulators. I was one of 18 registered shooters who competed in the 6 stage match with 2 pistols, lever action pistol caliber carbine, and shotgun. They have a nice setup for shooting the 6 stages with props and scenarios provided by the match director. I can say that the Uberti pistols, Marlin carbine, and Stoeger double 12 gauge performed flawlessly, unlike the jerk behind the trigger (me) who did not. Actually I shot well (but not particularly fast), no misses on 138 shots total, but had 1 procedural penalty on a stage that required that the targets be shot in a specific order, I messed up 1 of them. As you can see on the pictures, the props include stage 3, which was a bank robbery and shootout at the MADOFF Bank, and stage 4 which was a jail where you were required to shoot your way out and escape a lynch mob. lol Anyway, it was a BLAST, and any of your who have a SASS club near you can partake of this kind of event

I'm only a 1/2 hour from Jackson. A couple of years ago I met a member from there at the local range here and was invited to come and watch. And then Covid came and you know the rest. Do you know off hand when is the next match?

Yes, I had not shot in a match for awhile because last year there were none. Their next match is scheduled for June 13th.

OLDE CUTLER wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:49 pm

Colonel26 wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:26 pm OC, that looks like a hoot and a half, and I love your alias! Lol

What’s that Marilin carbine? 1894 .357?

1894, 44 magnum. Of course the 44 mag is not full power but loaded to approximate old black powder velocities of the 44/40. By rule it has to be less than 1400 fps. My load is a 200 gr lead bullet and chronographs at about 1225 fps. It "dings" those metal targets real good.

Oh man! I had one of those for a while until I needed the money worse than the gun. I sure wish I could run up in another, but they’re scarce as hen’s teeth here.

Great fun OC. I had one in.357, what a great little gun. Proud for you.

I would NOT want to get in a shoot-out with that guy ^^

Sundog Knives wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:22 pm I would NOT want to get in a shoot-out with that guy ^^

I wouldn't want to get in a shootout with anyone!

doglegg wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:35 pm Great fun OC. I had one in.357, what a great little gun. Proud for your.

I’ve got a 357 Marlin. Fantastic rifle and one of my favorites to shoot. I even took a big doe with it this year.

Samb wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:39 pm

Sundog Knives wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:22 pm I would NOT want to get in a shoot-out with that guy ^^

I wouldn't want to get in a shootout with anyone!

I'm with you sam!!

I recently picked up this nice OLD H & R top break pocket pistol in caliber 38 S & W. It has a 3 1/4" barrel, 5 shot and would be legal in SASS pocket pistol side matches. The last patent date on the barrel is 1896, so it was probably made between then and 1940. It is good and tight, with the hinge, latch, and extractor working perfectly. I had it out to the range this morning and tried it out with some light loads, which is essential in shooting these old pieces. No need to magnumize this one. The pocket pistol SASS matches require that one draw the pistol and click off 5 shots rapid fire on a metal target and for a hit is only necessary to be able to hear the ding on the metal. Now to make up a holster for it, maybe a suspender mounted one would work.

That’s a neat ol top break OC! It looks to be in good shape too. I bet it’sa hoot too shoot.

Cool top-break revolver, OC! Looks like there's quite the distance between the trigger and the grips, or is that a trick of the camera?

No camera trick. Since there is no external hammer, this is what is called double action only. That long trigger pull cocks the internal hammer, turns the cylinder, and then fires the gun. It is a small frame gun and the pull is not that great.

I somehow failed to notice that was DAO. Probably a lot of fun to shoot, indeed!

OLDE CUTLER wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:10 pm I recently picked up this nice OLD H & R top break pocket pistol in caliber 38 S & W. It has a 3 1/4" barrel, 5 shot and would be legal in SASS pocket pistol side matches. The last patent date on the barrel is 1896, so it was probably made between then and 1940. It is good and tight, with the hinge, latch, and extractor working perfectly. I had it out to the range this morning and tried it out with some light loads, which is essential in shooting these old pieces. No need to magnumize this one. The pocket pistol SASS matches require that one draw the pistol and click off 5 shots rapid fire on a metal target and for a hit is only necessary to be able to hear the ding on the metal. Now to make up a holster for it, maybe a suspender mounted one would work

There is a local live auction here on Sunday with a couple of top breaks. I don't own one but always interested in adding something "New to me"
What does a person need to look out for?

This is an Iver Johnson, correct? It isn't listed on the sale bill, looks decent. listed is a Hopkins & Allen Safety Police and some others but the billing has multiple errors. Example A current production Kimber in .38 acp?

Boji wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:18 pm

OLDE CUTLER wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:10 pm I recently picked up this nice OLD H & R top break pocket pistol in caliber 38 S & W. It has a 3 1/4" barrel, 5 shot and would be legal in SASS pocket pistol side matches. The last patent date on the barrel is 1896, so it was probably made between then and 1940. It is good and tight, with the hinge, latch, and extractor working perfectly. I had it out to the range this morning and tried it out with some light loads, which is essential in shooting these old pieces. No need to magnumize this one. The pocket pistol SASS matches require that one draw the pistol and click off 5 shots rapid fire on a metal target and for a hit is only necessary to be able to hear the ding on the metal. Now to make up a holster for it, maybe a suspender mounted one would work

There is a local live auction here on Sunday with a couple of top breaks. I don't own one but always interested in adding something "New to me"
What does a person need to look out for?

This is an Iver Johnson, correct? It isn't listed on the sale bill, looks decent. listed is a Hopkins & Allen Safety Police and some others but the billing has multiple errors. Example A current production Kimber in .38 acp?
Top break.jpg

Could be an Iver Johnson, you would actually have to read the stamping on the top of the barrel. These should never be considered safe to shoot with modern smokeless factory loads. Almost all are "wall hangers". They suffer from loose hinges, worn latches, cylinders that dont stop spinning and timing that is off. I had looked for over a year to find the one I have shown that is tight and safe to shoot with my own light loads. A current production Kimber in 38ACP? That is laughable, and dangerous. Also many people don't know that the 38 S & W (which is the caliber of many of the top breaks) is different than the 38 Special and the 38ACP and none are interchangeable.

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Could be an Iver Johnson, you would actually have to read the stamping on the top of the barrel. These should never be considered safe to shoot with modern smokeless factory loads. Almost all are "wall hangers". They suffer from loose hinges, worn latches, cylinders that dont stop spinning and timing that is off. I had looked for over a year to find the one I have shown that is tight and safe to shoot with my own light loads. A current production Kimber in 38ACP? That is laughable, and dangerous. Also many people don't know that the 38 S & W (which is the caliber of many of the top breaks) is different than the 38 Special and the 38ACP and none are interchangeable.
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The reason I said Iver Johnson is because there clearly is an owl on the grip. Checking it out should be no different than any old, used revolver. I'll only be interested if it is .32 cal. Would it be .32 rim fire? If so, I'd be SOL. I'll just have to go to the auction and see. There are some other guns I'm interested in too, depending on what they sell for.
And you can add .38 super to the .38 cal mix. Wonder if that is what they meant by the .38acp? Kimber does make guns in .38 super.

BoJi,

John Browning designed the 38 ACP around 1900. According to WIki, a pretty hot round.

Uberti makes some sweet top-break reproductions, but they're not cheap. I love the Russian. These can handle modern cartridges.

https://www.uberti-usa.com/top-break-revolver

Auction update, the Kimber was a .380acp so I wasn't interested, if it had been the .38 super I might have been.
Overall prices were crazy high. A Ruger New Model Blackhawk .357 sold for $1300. For an $700-$800 gun.
The Iver Johnson was the 3rd Model with 4 cross pins so modern ammo could be shot in it. Tight lock up, rifling looked good,
but the cylinder was cracked I still did buy it, why? Just because, might be able to find a cylinder, who knows? Guess I needed a project.