All About Pocket Knives

royal0014 wrote: And I keep eyeballin' leveraction 30/30's too. Don't know why, I've never even shot one

'Cause they're cool.

jerryd6818 wrote:All right, starting over. T.J. I have a Mini-14 Ranch and Aimus is right, they're LOUD. In a crowd of other calibers, you can tell when they bark.

As for the AK, IMO the 7.62x39 doesn't kick much at all. Of course I don't have your shoulder and I haven't shot my SKS in a long time. If I lived closer you could shoot both and form a first hand opinion.

My Opinion -- The best home defense weapon around is a 12 ga. loaded with #1 buck. You don't have to shoulder it to get what your aiming at. Minimal penetration and there's nothing like the shuckin' of a 12 ga. pump in the middle of the night to make an intruder go all slip and slide on his own excrement (wait could that be it. I said the 'S' word in my original post)

Another one to consider for home defense would be The Judge by Taurus. Five shot revolver in .410/.45 LC. Load it up with a couple of buck shot .410s to lead the parade and the rest .45 LC. Pull the trigger and keep pulling it until it goes 'click'. "Your honor, I shot him five times because it's a five shot revolver."

S&W has one in a six shot for not much more than a Taurus friend of mine bought one last mounth he's got his loaded with those waffer rounds and backed with .45 longs also has the moon clips for .45 ACP rounds if he wants to shot those I've got his paper from the range in the garage pretty impresive--the flash off the muzzle would scare the hell out of an intruder on the first shot

I've considered the faithful old 12 ga. but I am really looking for something with a high (20+ round) mag. I want something holding a lot of rounds, fast shooting and quick and easy re-load. Like I said earlier, I don't really care about a 100 yd. pattern, a zero at 25 or 50 yards will do. I really and truely expect the s**t to hit the fan after the election and want FIRE-POWER. Not looking to join an army, too old and broken-down, just want to protect my house and family. I think that the Mini-14 is the one I'll look at. For home intrusion (burgler) defense I have my Glock 19, locked and loaded at all times (15 + 1).

royal0014 wrote:My wife packs a Taurus snub-nose, compensated .357mag. Shoots sweet as hell for a snub, but the comp makes it a serious ear buster.

Speaking of shotguns, she (the wife again) keeps a .410 she has had since childhood in the corner on her side of the bed (I work nights, so...) She would keep it unloaded, but the shells lying loose on top of the dresser. I walk through one day, and there are several shotshells and several more AA batteries rolling around.......

'Honey, some burgler will laugh his butt off when you try to shoot him with a double-A instead of double-ought.........'

An unloaded gun is no better than a rock.

Get a AK or an SKS if that's what you're prepairing for--hell get one of each I like shootin the SKS more than the AK

Aimus, I specified Ruger rifles for a reason: the only firearms Ruger makes that have a reputation for competitive accuracy out of the box are some of the handguns. But you seldom see Rugers rifles in the hands of serious competitors in any game where accuracy is the only goal (and seeing them in the winners' circle is even more rare). That's not a dig at Rugers--lots of accuracy competitors use Rugers for their hunting rifles--but they don't compete with them. Rugers are usually great rifles, just not match rifles.

Ruger knows this, and doesn't seem to have a problem with it. They don't really make match rifles (other than the ill-fated Palma rifles back in 1990 or so), and they are still so far behind on filling orders they probably won't catch up this year. I've heard of rifles that produced 2.5-3" groups at 100 yards that were returned to the factory, only to be sent back with notes saying they were within tolerances for accuracy.

But as I mentioned, my current sporter is a tang safety M77. If my count is right looking back, I've owned more than 20 Ruger centerfire rifles so I knew what I might be getting into. If my primary goal was the ultimate in accuracy, I'd have just gotten a Savage. I've always liked the looks of the M77s, and I've always liked the 7x57 cartridge, and I just wanted one good reliable hunting rifle for lower-48 big game.

tjmurphy wrote:I've considered the faithful old 12 ga. but I am really looking for something with a high (20+ round) mag. I want something holding a lot of rounds, fast shooting and quick and easy re-load. Like I said earlier, I don't really care about a 100 yd. pattern, a zero at 25 or 50 yards will do. I really and truely expect the s**t to hit the fan after the election and want FIRE-POWER. Not looking to join an army, too old and broken-down, just want to protect my house and family. I think that the Mini-14 is the one I'll look at. For home intrusion (burgler) defense I have my Glock 19, locked and loaded at all times (15 + 1).

If that is your need Tom, the Mini-14 Ranch Rifle will work perfect for that job. If you don't kill them at least you can slow them down with powder smoke.
CC, a Savage is as good as any out of the box rifle for accuracy that you can buy. As far as competitive shooting, none of the competition rifles have a "stock" factory receiver or barrel on them from any brand name company, be it Ruger, Remington, Winchester, or Browning. The U.S.M.C. and the U.S. Army both use a Remington 700 style receiver on their sniper rifles but the receivers are not made by Remington. U.S.M.C. Gunny Sgt. Carlos Hathcock was one of the best snipers in the world and he used a Winchester model 70 (pre-64) rifle as his sniper rifle. Why the military didn't go with the Winchester receiver is beyond me because it is a very good platform to make a very accurate rifle from. Any company's receiver could be made into a competition receiver with enough $$ and work. The Ruger center fire bolt action receiver is made more like the original Mauser receiver than any other receiver produced by any American company. I've been to many .22 LR. rifle competitions and the number of Ruger model 10/22's there were staggering. Of coarse they had a lot of bells and whistles added to them. As I said, there are good and bad in all makers rifles. I have seen a brand new in the box Remington model 700 CDL rifle with a bent barrel, another new in the box model 700 BDL that had the chamber so messed up from tool markings that it wouldn't extract a fired round from the rifle. Most competition shooters that I've talked with find the biggest fault with Ruger bolt action receivers as being too heavy and they do not care for the trigger assembly of the receiver. Personally I don't care for the triggers in the Ruger bolt action rifles and they sure could lose a little weight in the complete rifle including the receiver. As far as the Ruger Mini-14, I'd much rather have the original M-14 rifle, which I think is the best battle rifle the military has ever had, but I had to settle for it's little kin folk due to costs back at the time I bought my Ruger Mini-14. The older first version 180 series Ruger Mini-14 is a different rifle than the current Ruger Ranch rifle Mini-14. Ruger made a lot of changes to the rifle and not all of the changes were cosmetic like the sights some of the changes were internal. I don't know if those changes were for the good or the bad. I do know that my older Mini-14 will shoot and group much better than any of the current made Ranch Rifle Mini-14's I've shot at 100 yards. But then again I might have just got lucky and bought the only true shooting accurate Ruger Mini-14 that was sold back then.

Aimus

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An unloaded gun is no better than a rock.[/quote]


a rock worked for david...

This is the load I use in my bedside 410.
I think it will hold anyone's attention if they come into the house uninvited.

gringo wrote: a rock worked for david...

I'm not sure I caught the intended gist of your comment but I'll answer what I thought it was.

I'm pretty sure Goliath didn't have a 9mm tucked in his waist band.

And an axe worked for Lizzie Borden.
Home-made bombs worked for Ted Kaczynski.
Poison worked for Marie-Madeleine-Marguerite d'Aubray, Marquise de Brinvilliers.
A knife worked for Jack The Ripper.

Cain slew Able. People use all sorts of blunt objects to bludgeon their fellow man to death, from baseball bats to hammers to bricks. The human animal is a violent creature and will use what ever is at hand to take a life. Anyone who believes there will ever be "world peace" is living in a dream world.

I don't want to take a rock to a gun fight. I want to have in my possession, the best method of self protection that's legally available and that's a gun, preferable in a caliber that starts with a four.

Jerry,

+1, ditto, and amen.

Well, I got the RUGER MINI-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 cal. It's just the bare-bones model, but I really don't need all the bells and whistles. I bought the gun used from a local pawn shop and based of MSRP I think I got a pretty good deal. Based on the serial number it is a 2011 model. The gun came with a five-round magazine and I purchased an additional thirty-round mag. Not had a chance to try it out yet, but it's looking like maybe Saturday or Sunday. A friend of mine has an area set up on his property that he uses for firearms training, both hand-gun and long-gun so it should work out pretty good. Excuse the crappy pics, it's me not the rifle.

I'm considering selling mine but I just hate to sell stuff. In most cases, it's not letting go of it that I hate, it's the selling process. Maybe I should get Scott to do it for me.

Let me know how that 30 rd mag works for you.

Nice looking little Mini-14 Tom. Most all of the current/new magazines for a lot of the rifles today are being made out of composite materials instead of metal. One of the metal after market made magazines that works well, and I've never had any problems with was from a company called U.S.A. Magazines. Let us know how the rifle does Tom.

Jar Head, I know what your problem is. It's a VERY hard task to take away or get any U.S. Marine to give up his rifle. They usually choose to die before doing so. So, that's just the U.S.M.C. coming out in you.

BTW CC, hows that Ruger rifle you are working on coming along?
Aimus

i carried a M-14...loved that heavy beast...
i had a mini 14...it was fun...i could hit a target all day at around 250 yards..
seemed to wander if you streched it further out...sold it to a rancher...he still has it.

Aimus Moses wrote:Jar Head, I know what your problem is. It's a VERY hard task to take away or get any U.S. Marine to give up his rifle. They usually choose to die before doing so. So, that's just the U.S.M.C. coming out in you.
Aimus

That could be Aimus. I've sold a handful over the years and regretted each and every one of them. I'm not so sure it's not the hoarder in me instead of the Marine in me.

[i carried a M-14...loved that heavy beast...*

Ditto. When I first fired the M-14 I knew I had done something significant, at least for myself.

Garry -- You must be an old bugger if you carried an M-14. Army was already getting the "Mattie Mattel Specials" when I rotated back to the states in August of '66.

Garry -- You must be an old bugger if you carried an M-14.

Correct. Basic and AIT was with the M-14. In the last week we were shown the M-16. This was 1966.

Another interesting firearm, in Germany with tanks, was the "grease gun" or "burp gun": .45 cal.
In 1969 of course, in RVN, it was all M-16s and shotgun (Ithaca).

jerryd6818 wrote:Garry -- You must be an old bugger if you carried an M-14. Army was already getting the "Mattie Mattel Specials" when I rotated back to the states in August of '66.

I went through Boot Camp at MCRD with an M14.
I loved it, very accurate. I always fired expert except on Qual Day.
I missed expert by one round!

We got th M16 as soon as we got to Camp Pendleton for ITR.

I did carry an M14 for 2 weeks on guard duty at Horno (on Pendleton).
That was where I locked & loaded on a Capt. Put him face down in the dirt until the Cpl of the Guard got there.

orvet wrote:
I went through Boot Camp at MCRD with an M14.

We got th M16 as soon as we got to Camp Pendleton for ITR.

We were just the opposite. M-14s in boot camp, new in of the Cosmoline. M-1s at 2nd ITR, so old the bluing (Parkerizing?) was almost gone. (For you Doggies & Squids, ITR = Infantry Training Regiment. For the Zoomies, it's where we went to learn the basics of how to be Mud Marines even if we weren't going to be a Mud Marine. "Every Marine a rifleman.")

I missed expert by one round!

Now that is a bummer. I squirmed a bit at your putting a Cpt. face down, having been one. But I'm sure it was the proper thing to do. How did the officer react. Did he complement you as he should have?

The Cpl of the Guard started to chew me out. The OD had gotten sick and was replaced by the Capt.
The Cpl had not passed the word.

The Capt stood up, brushed half an acre of Camp Pendleton dust off his uniform and said, "Cpl, Shut up! This is the only man out here who is doing his job properly."

He then turned to me and said; "Good job Marine! Carry on."
Then he got in the Cpl's Jeep and drove away.

orvet wrote:The Cpl of the Guard started to chew me out. The OD had gotten sick and was replaced by the Capt.
The Cpl had not passed the word.

The Capt stood up, brushed half an acre of Camp Pendleton dust off his uniform and said, "Cpl, Shut up! This is the only man out here who is doing his job properly."

He then turned to me and said; "Good job Marine! Carry on."
Then he got in the Cpl's Jeep and drove away.

12th General Order

"To walk my post from flank to flank and take no sh-t from any rank"