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Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:22 pm
by Sauconian
galvanic1882 wrote:Had a nice visit from Fran yesterday and we did some show and tell which was really great. While Fran was here I got 2 knives in the mail that I got off ebay which are posted here.

Thanks Fran for coming to see me and showing me your great knives. I really like that Ken Coates custom that you opened while you visited.

Eric, ask Fran to tell you about the pearl KK in the picture!!
Mike is too kind. After seeing his wonderful collection, I came home and hid mine in the back of the closet. :lol: ( Except the Coats, which is going with me today ! )

Don't worry Mike. I rattled Eric's chain as soon as I finished hiding my other knives.

Who, but a guy that really deserves it, could buy a knife from a listing like this, and find out it's a salesman's sample when he opens the box ? ::ds:: ::ds::

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %26fvi%3D1

Fran

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:17 pm
by Edgewise
I thought this would be a good place to ask what a Jackknife is instead of starting a new topic on Q&A.
What separates a jack knife from any other pocket knife?
What pocket knife is not a jack knife?
Interestingly, the word is losing its original meaning and is now more frequently applied to lorry accidents or high diving. ::shrug::
I think AAPK may be the only place left that still calls a jack knife a jack knife.

In other words, has the Jack Knife been finally granted Official Pedigree. ::tu:: ( like the Jack Russell )

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:01 pm
by Sauconian
Edgie,

A jack knife is usually a folding knife with one or more blades at one end. It's also usually larger than a pen knife.

But then, there are double-ended jack knifes, little jack knifes, and big pen knifes.

Hope this helps. ::doh::




:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fran

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:24 pm
by upnorth
Your visit to Mike's must have been like going to Wonderland, Fran, from what I see of his posts! :mrgreen:
Nice going on the KeenKutter, Mike. Cheap at twice the price!! ::tu::

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:43 pm
by Edgewise
Sauconian wrote:...there are double-ended jack knifes, little jack knifes, and big pen knifes.
Hope this helps. ...
It helps a great deal. :?
It confirmed my suspicion that the term "jack knife" is generic (as shown by your word "usually"), which is why it sometimes is qualified by specifics like "double-ended".
How else can we end up with a word like "canittler". :roll:
The question is whether a Moose is a double-ended Jack knife, or a Jack knife a single-ended Moose? ::shrug::
Thanks. ::tu::

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:56 pm
by upnorth
A moose is a sub-type of a double end Jack, IMO.
"Jack" covers a large family of knives, that branches out into sub-types. Names like Moose, English jack, curved, swayback, balloon etc. give us better descriptions. But if the one, two or (rarely) three blades pivot on the same end, or if it falls into the double end category, it's a Jack.
Multi-blades like Cattle knives, Stockman and Whittler knives are not called Jacks.

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:15 am
by ea42
Mike,

Fran did give me the lowdown on the trip, all I can say is I'm very sad :( . He also told me about the Keen Kutter, I tell ya, your a salesman sample magnet!! I'll bet if you stand out on your front lawn for a day or so, you'll have a bunch stuck to you by the end of the day! ::nod:: ::tu:: . We've definitely got to get together soon though , I'm dying to see all that paperwork along with those knives!

I did get something pretty cool recently that I know you'll get a kick out of. I'll post it as soon as I scan it, plus I'll throw a few jacks in to keep it on theme ::tu::

Stand by....

Eric

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:55 am
by jonet143
here's a queen and a wards

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:43 am
by Sauconian
Both nice jacks Johnnie, but I do tend to favor the Wards a bit. ::tu::

Fran

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:47 am
by jonet143
me too fran, here is another old one. a robeson that has seen some use.

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:07 am
by ea42
Beautiful knives Johnny! That Robeson still looks pretty full to me ::tu::

Here are a couple, a Schrade Cut. serpentine jack, quite full but with some storage issues on the blades, and a well used Ulster. Both of them are flanked by the print blocks for the Schrade-Walden stationary, both top and bottom portions. Not sure if these were used for invoices, letterheads, or both. BTW, this is a mirror image so you can read the blocks, the knives are backwards:

Eric

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:21 am
by Sauconian
Nice Cut. Co. Eric !! Reminds me of a certain Wolfie I'm fond of. ::tu:: ::tu::

Are those printing blocks from your streetwalker friend ? :wink:

Fran

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:22 am
by upnorth
AAAAAHHHHH :shock: !! Backwards knives ::paranoid:: ; So weird looking!! :?

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:09 am
by ea42
Fran, yes in fact they are. I sure hope she can find me some more ::tu::

Charlie, what's even stranger is trying to read the backwards tangs. Here are a few "normal" ones. The top three are Walden Knife Co., the bottom is a Keen Kutter easy open. This one, a K95, has a German silver (nickel silver) bolster and cap, which dates it to the 1905-1920 period, and likely made by Walden as well:

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:38 pm
by Sauconian
These are jack knifes also. The first one I've shown before, but I just got a second one from the same maker, with an etch.

Swell Center hunters, also called ' coke - bottles.'

Fran

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:34 pm
by Desktop
Nice swell center Sauconian!
Never knew they made knives in Allentown.
:D :D

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:02 am
by upnorth
Nice buncha Jacks Eric! That Keen has a nice teardrop shape!
Great etched knife for your collection, Fran. Did that come from, ummmm . . . . . . :D . . . . Bruce Voyles?

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:51 pm
by muskrat man
well if cokebottles count :mrgreen:

nice ones all around

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:59 pm
by muskrat man
yall know what this is

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:47 am
by muskrat man
old cleveland ohio EO teardrop, my favorite jack pattern

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:19 am
by Another Knife Collector
nice one muskratman, great jigging on that bone. ::tu::

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:53 pm
by upnorth
EOs are cool. Nice one, MM.

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:47 pm
by upnorth
Time to bump this thread up, and see if we can catch a few more Jacks! This guy should wake up the thread, and it has those little numbers on the back that Mike likes so much! :wink:
Iroquois, by Utica! Classic Utica punch, with matchstrike.

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:24 am
by orvet
Charlie,
Is that a psychedelic harness jack?
Refugee from the 60's? ::shrug::

Dale

Re: Some knives named Jack, but not English Show me yours.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:12 am
by W5RWU
Charlie that is wild ::tu:: ::tu::
Randy