All About Pocket Knives

jxr1197 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:35 am Skip, you're killing it lately with all these Mexican knives! That little white knife with the flip top church key is a Colonial. You mentioned having another one from Providence Cutlery. Colonial and Providence are joined at the hip - lots of identical patterns with them. I saw that cigar jack you got there on ebay and assumed it was French Ivory - maybe I was wrong on that. I don't think that's Imperial or Colonial. It's probably one of the Pastor Alemans that Cuchilleria Monterrey was ordering from Japan or Italy. It's great to keep discovering new patterns with Hecho related marks. Congrats on the new additions.

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 4:01 am Thank you Jason. So Colonial also used the PASTOR ALEMAN tang stamp? I'm referring to the white knife with the flip top church key.

jxr1197 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:07 pm

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 4:01 am Thank you Jason. So Colonial also used the PASTOR ALEMAN tang stamp? I'm referring to the white knife with the flip top church key.

Cuchilleria Monterrey owned the Pator Aleman name and bought contract knives from Imperial and other vendors - the same way Sears owned the Craftsman name and had Craftsman knives made by Camillus and Schrade. At the time Colonial had a Mexican division.

doglegg wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:05 pm Those two fit well in your collection Skip. And the ivory handle does look like french ivory, a celluloid.

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:13 pm I really don't think that the handles are celluloid. Under a pretty good magnifying glass, I can see "lines" in the material.

doglegg wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:50 pm Jason, not to go off track but your Schrade impresses me every time I see it. Thanks.

jxr1197 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:48 pm

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:13 pm I really don't think that the handles are celluloid. Under a pretty good magnifying glass, I can see "lines" in the material.

You're the best judge because you have it in hand and I'm definitely not an ivory expert. Ivory doesn't have fine little lines (capillaries) like bone, it can have long lines that are free flowing and wavy. The lines in French ivory tend to look like pinstripes which is what I thought I saw in that knife. The pic below has an ivory knife and a french ivory knife.
ivoryfrenchivory.jpg

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:24 pm ..is it a fancy name for celluloid?

Papa Bones wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:16 am Skip........ This entire thread is nothing but one awesome collection. Soon you gonna have to give us a Whole Collective Perspective of just what you've acquired of Pastor Alemans. I've truly enjoyed watching you add to it.

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 1:22 am This evening I purchased this knife. It is a PASTOR ALEMAN (German Shepherd), single blade pocket knife. This knife "brand" is part of the Imperial Mexico story/connection. It appears to be in pretty good condition. When I receive it, I'll give it the once over, take some pictures and post them in the appropriate location(s).

jxr1197 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 6:49 pm

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 1:22 am This evening I purchased this knife. It is a PASTOR ALEMAN (German Shepherd), single blade pocket knife. This knife "brand" is part of the Imperial Mexico story/connection. It appears to be in pretty good condition. When I receive it, I'll give it the once over, take some pictures and post them in the appropriate location(s).

You got the Cumosa! I completely forgot to bid on that one. Glad you wound up with it - very cool knife.
When it arrives you should ditch that keyring and put a leather lanyard on it. That's how is came from the factory. Those knives were made by Edge Co in Mexico and there was a time when they were sold as kits that you ordered and put together yourself. A mail order switchblade! How cool is that?

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:39 am Thank you Jason. So now, in addition to Imperial and Colonial being involved in Mexico, this Edge Company was involved there also. This is starting to get interesting.

I found a couple of pictures regarding a Cumosa that knife7knut has. It's pictured here:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=62384&p=737216&hilit=Cumosa#p736294
The 5th & 6th picture down.

jxr1197 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:39 pm

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:39 am Thank you Jason. So now, in addition to Imperial and Colonial being involved in Mexico, this Edge Company was involved there also. This is starting to get interesting.

I found a couple of pictures regarding a Cumosa that knife7knut has. It's pictured here:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=62384&p=737216&hilit=Cumosa#p736294
The 5th & 6th picture down.

Thanks for posting a link to that thread - that oblique Shapleigh is insane. I am wrong in what I said there about Cuchilleria Monterrey making them. Edge Co made them FOR Cuchilleria Monterrey.

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:17 pm I'll have to look closely when the knife arrives, but I think all mine says is PASTOR ALEMAN. I don't think anything about Edge Co is stamped or etched on the knife.

jxr1197 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:32 pm

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:17 pm I'll have to look closely when the knife arrives, but I think all mine says is PASTOR ALEMAN. I don't think anything about Edge Co is stamped or etched on the knife.

It's a contract knife - the same as the Pastor Alemans made by Imperial or Colonial that only say PA.

New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:41 pm Do you know where Edge Co was located?