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Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:25 am
by wlf
Sorry.
No, I meant the bone was a knife mechanic’s choice.When I got it, it didn’t have handles.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:40 am
by JAMESC41001
Ahh ha, I’m a little slow here. Very nice work

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:17 pm
by LongBlade
Lyle - That Honk Falls double end wharncliffe (?) is a stunner ::tu:: ... the blades & handles are awesome - actually the handles are scary awesome as it goes to show that a talented knife mechanic can do work where quite honestly I couldn’t tell you if those handles were original or not - not in this case but I would have thought as found :wink: ...

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:56 pm
by wlf
Thanks everybody.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:41 pm
by Lilrooster56
I have just recently purchased a honk falls pocket knife and would like to know the pattern and any info about it here are some pictures
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Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:23 am
by FRJ
Welcome here, Lilrooster56.
I think the pattern of your knife might be called a swell center coffin jack. There may be differing opinions.
I can't give you any further information on the knife but there are knowledgeable folks here who can help you.
They need to see this thread and chime in. I hope.
I will say, though, that you have a beautiful knife. A very beautiful knife.
Very nice covers and a desirable pattern with fine bolsters. A beautiful shield and great blades.
And a terrific Honk Falls stamp. It's got everything going for it.
I hope you get more responses.
Thanks for showing it.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:38 am
by JAMESC41001
That is a pattern I have not seen. Very nice. The jigged bone and the mark are correct. Many Honk Falls patterns follow patterns that were offered by Napanoch knife but not all. I don’t remember seeing that in the nap catalog but I will look. Thanks for posting it. Every new Honk offers more clues to piece together.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:20 am
by doglegg
Lilrooster you know how to make an entrance. That is a very charming old knife. Love the bones and the blades. Welcome and congratulations. ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:17 am
by Duffer
Lilrooster56, fabulous swell center jack and a very scarce one at that! Welcome aboard ::nod::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:22 am
by Lilrooster56
Thanks to all of you and your info and it looks like I got a good one to hold on to thanks

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:38 am
by JAMESC41001
You sure do. Can you provide the length of the knives closed? Open as well would be great. I looked around a bit. I don’t believe Napanoch Knife offered that pattern. Both Winchester/Keen Kutter offered that pattern but the one that most resembles yours is the knife offered by Ulster. I mention this because it was common for companies to work together on orders. The Honk Falls factory fell victim to a fire and was destroyed. Ulster was not far away and there were many connections to it. Lots of history with Honk Falls.
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Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:28 am
by Robo
James--I love the history of these companies and their connections with other companies through contracts and labor and management. I obsess about this all the time--mostly in my head. I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Good luck!!
KAW wrote:Just to clarify... I'm not doubting the knife was factory made with both pulls... but why would one create a long pull that would not open the blade and shape an indent in the handle to access that pull if it won't function as such?
Ken, this perplexes me too. It seems redundant to have two pulls on a blade, especiaally if as you mentioned one was proven not to work well. Then there's the added cost for that extra bit of tooling. But I've been pondering another theory: the long pull isn't a pull but a fuller of sorts. I'm not suggesting that, like a real fuller (often misleadingly called a "blood groove") it was put there to lighten the blade. rather, it was a more decorative groove put there to give the blade a more interseting flow. The question is: were the knives with the two cuts considered premium? was the same pattern knife also made at the same time without the two cuts? Utica for example-- as other companies did--ofered knives at one price point without any top grind and at another price point with the top grind. One could argue that the swedge is there to provide better stabbing/sticking ability but it seems more likely to be a decorative groove ("The term "swage" is from the Old French "souage," meaning "decorative groove") and one that works well as such. Blades with a top grind are always more attractive than ones without. So maybe some cutlers found these knives looked cool with a groove that started at the tang and ended at the begining of the clip and they went with it for a while. And one final point: Unless your fingers are greasy, you don't really need any form of nail pull on large single bladed hunters etc. as they have enough exposed blade when closed to grab and open with the thumb and forefinger. But pocket knife blades look naked without them. So, in a way, nail nicks of any sort on certain knives could be considered decoritive first and practical second.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:14 pm
by wlf
One thing to keep in mind is that most all these knives were used until there was little blade left to pinch, makers took that into consideration.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:10 pm
by JAMESC41001
Interesting information. I’ve only handled a couple knives with the double pulls but they both had super strong springs. Definitely needed the extra leverage of the front nail nick.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:41 pm
by KAW
Interesting theory Robo... and seems plausible, especially for a pattern considered to be a gentleman's knife... bu I'm a bit skeptical about management or a cutler would invest in the cost for a just decorative feature over functionality on what would be considered a workman's knife.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:16 pm
by JAMESC41001
All this Honk Falls talk is getting me excited. Here are a couple from my collection.
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Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 12:08 am
by JAMESC41001
Well it’s not often these days I get to add a new Honk to the collection. Been waiting for this one for a while. One of those days when your postman is your best friend.
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Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 12:14 am
by ea42
Jay that's an amazing find! Congrats buddy! ::tu::

Eric

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 12:18 am
by JAMESC41001
Thanks Eric.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 12:28 am
by FRJ
A beautiful knife. Nice catch. ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 12:58 am
by Duffer
Jay, simply outstanding ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 1:05 am
by LongBlade
Stunner Jay ::tu:: ::tu:: ... and great score for your collection 8) ...

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 1:50 am
by JAMESC41001
Thank you guys. Appreciate it

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 1:57 am
by RalphAlsip
James, the Honk Falls coke bottle is a super nice knife. ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 2:44 am
by JAMESC41001
Thanks Ralph, my first coke bottle hunter. They are a hand full. Always wanted one. Luckily the seller hung on to it for me till I could come up with the scratch. Lots of good people in the knife collecting biz. And here on aapk.