All About Pocket Knives

tongueriver wrote:

thegreedygulo wrote:Here's a few old H. Bokers.

Oh, my! (I actually have stored some of your photos on my computer from previous days and times, Roger). You be da man!!!

Thanks Cal, I'm glad you liked them. There are a lot of good knives being posted in this thread!

Sta Sharp SR & Co. On all blades Light etch left on blade 3 7/8" Stag. Nice old knife.

Harold

Easy to tell this KK is a stockman since it says that on the blade.

Here a a few more Case knives. A 6347 HP XX red bone, a 6347 PU XX long pull green bone, a 6347 Tested rough black 6347 PU long pull and a 63047 XX.

btrwtr wrote:Here a a few more Case knives. A 6347 HP XX red bone, a 6347 PU XX long pull green bone, a 6347 Tested rough black 6347 PU long pull and a 63047 XX.

Wayne, no one appointed me judge, but you win the prize. All these wonderful knives but IMHO the Case 47 pattern is the standard bearer for the stockman pattern. (That oughta stir up the natives! )

Ken

Some Remington examples.

btrwtr wrote:

treefarmer wrote:I have a question! Is there a difference in the "stockman" pattern and the "cattleman" pattern? For some reason I keep thinking the stockman has the 3 blades like a Case 6375 but when a knife shows up with an awl or punch it should be called a "cattleman". The knife in the OP is probably a #49 Queen but the 2nd post is a beautiful knife with a punch. This "rang my bell" and I've been wondering about it, is there a difference or is it what the owner prefers to call it? The awl would be to repair leather, thus cowboy, cow hunter or cattle man....?
Treefarmer

I understand the difference between the Stockman and the Cattle knife to be the shape of the frame. Stockman patterns being three or more blades and serpentine shaped. Cattle knives being normally but not necessarily equal ended (or any other shape other than serpentine) with three or four blades. Either pattern can have but not necessarily have a punch blade. Both patterns are normally heavier frame working knives.

I think they are two distinctly different patterns and each would deserve their own thread.

I think these two possibly illustrate how two similar looking knives could be lumped into being Stockman's but are really different, even though both are serpentine and the same length.

One is a Schrade over Walden over NY, 8363, except it has 2 pens instead of one being a coping pen... as is shown in the 1938 catalog. It is called a Carpenter's knife. It has a Federal shield, split back and unequal ends... and a sabre clip master by itself but still has 3 blades total.

The other one is an early 895, Schrade over Walden over NY. Bomb shield, three blades total but the master is a Turkish Clip and the sheepsfoot is on the same side as the master. The ends are much more similar in size.

I look back in the Schrade catalogs and see in the 1928 edition, the 8983 and 8993, which are not referred to as Stock or Stockman's but just Serpentine. I assume these are the predecessors of the 898 and 899 patterns from more recently.

As far as a Schrade Cattle knife (last pic), the one I have is an 856 pattern and is a very different pattern from the 895 Stockman, for example.

btrwtr wrote: I understand the difference between the Stockman and the Cattle knife to be the shape of the frame. Stockman patterns being three or more blades and serpentine shaped. Cattle knives being normally but not necessarily equal ended (or any other shape other than serpentine) with three or four blades. Either pattern can have but not necessarily have a punch blade. Both patterns are normally heavier frame working knives.

I think they are two distinctly different patterns and each would deserve their own thread.

What Wayne said

I just revived the old cattle knife thread check it out

Here's a couple of safe queens and a couple of EDC's

Some Beautiful old knives posted in this thread,thanks for the comments on on my knives, guys.I`ve always thought of stockman knives being serpentine. Bill

To me, a Stockman knife is a serpentine frame that has 3 blades, a clip, a sheepsfoot, and a spey. Not 2, not 4, not 5 blades, not a sowbelly frame or reverse gunstock. But, I can frequently yank someone's chain when I voice an opinion, so, I've probably done it again. Such is life....meh

After wondering about the difference and asking the question, both the Cattleman and the Stockman threads are up running. What a great looking bunch of knives!
I tend to agree with you, SteelMyHeart. The Stockman seems to fit your description and the Cattleman seems to lean way over on the equal end frame. Yet both threads show overlaps, it's been an interesting read this afternoon, between naps .
Treefarmer

Here are a few more.

Now that the question of what is a stockman and what is a cattleman pattern has been resolved I have a question.....

What makes a knife a "Premium Stockman" as opposed to a plain ole "Stockman" ?

philco wrote:Now that the question of what is a stockman and what is a cattleman pattern has been resolved I have a question.....

What makes a knife a "Premium Stockman" as opposed to a plain ole "Stockman" ?

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Greg,you are probably correct.I like your answer. Bill

H. Bokers.

Miller Bro's wrote:

btrwtr wrote: I understand the difference between the Stockman and the Cattle knife to be the shape of the frame. Stockman patterns being three or more blades and serpentine shaped. Cattle knives being normally but not necessarily equal ended (or any other shape other than serpentine) with three or four blades. Either pattern can have but not necessarily have a punch blade. Both patterns are normally heavier frame working knives.

I think they are two distinctly different patterns and each would deserve their own thread.

What Wayne said

I just revived the old cattle knife thread check it out

What Dimitri said.

A very old Manhattan.

A 1930s Western States.

Wow some beautiful stockman knives here, great thread! This one isn't as old as some being posted, but it is 44 years old, so I think I'll go ahead and add it in...8 dot Case 3318.

Nice one Mike and certainly old enough

I have one like it, a ten dot.

Great Thread.

Love a Stockman pattern knife. I think the oldest I have are from the 1970's - nothing older I can remember owning. These are all Case. OH
Ps Love seeing the nice pre-WWII knives you gents own!

This first Buck 301 was the final variation made by Schrade for Buck, around 1970-71. The second Buck 301 was an early variation made by Camillus, also in the 1971-72 time frame. OH