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Dinadan wrote:Dave - those are four fine whittlers. As far as I am concerned, they fit the whittler definition just fine. Regarding the blades being worn down, I have a few old knives like that, but I just could resist making a bid when no one else seemed interested.

Jdub - nice Case!

Here is one of my latest whittlers, a Schatt and Morgan.

Very nice S&M! Does it have a split spring? Just curious.

So, I'm new at understanding whittlers. I found an old thread here that was many pages long discussing what a whittler was and I found it very interesting. So, I notice your S&M has a master clip blade.... which leads me to my question...
I have a Schrade Walden 804 Mechanics knife. It fits the whittler definition to a T, except the master is a sabre clip and one of the small blades is a clip but it does have a coping blade. There is a split spring, the master folds in between the 2 small blades when closed.... can this also be considered a whittler?

The only photo I have of the 804, is the one below and it's in the upper right corner, just above the black 836.

CheckSix wrote: So, I'm new at understanding whittlers. I found an old thread here that was many pages long discussing what a whittler was and I found it very interesting. So, I notice your S&M has a master clip blade.... which leads me to my question...
I have a Schrade Walden 804 Mechanics knife. It fits the whittler definition to a T, except the master is a sabre clip and one of the small blades is a clip but it does have a coping blade. There is a split spring, the master folds in between the 2 small blades when closed.... can this also be considered a whittler?

Dave - I would absolutely consider the 804 a whittler! I am no expert and relatively new at collecting whittlers. I think the defining characteristic is that the main blade rides on both the back springs while the each of the secondary blades rides on one spring. There has been a lot of discussion about the definition of whittler, but I do not think that anyone would deny that the 804 is one. That one of yours looks to be mint! By the way, the 804 is one of my very favorite patterns right now, I have been carrying one a lot lately.

My Schatt and Morgan does have split springs, as can be seen in the photo below. Also including a photo of a Schrade 804 and a Craftsman 9488, which is the same knife with different color Delrin. I posted the photo in another thread but it fits here also.

Dinadan wrote: Dave - I would absolutely consider the 804 a whittler! I am no expert and relatively new at collecting whittlers. I think the defining characteristic is that the main blade rides on both the back springs while the each of the secondary blades rides on one spring. There has been a lot of discussion about the definition of whittler, but I do not think that anyone would deny that the 804 is one. That one of yours looks to be mint! By the way, the 804 is one of my very favorite patterns right now, I have been carrying one a lot lately.

My Schatt and Morgan does have split springs, as can be seen in the photo below. Also including a photo of a Schrade 804 and a Craftsman 9488, which is the same knife with different color Delrin. I posted the photo in another thread but it fits here also.

Very nice Mel!

and yes, that Walden 804 in my group photo is really close to perfect.

So, I didn't realize the 9488 Craftsman was the same knife! (Still learning!) I also have one of those but in imitation stag, shown below with etch still visible. I also have an oldie 804, pre model # stamp, in Parawood. Second one in from the left in the last photo.

Geeez! I have more whittlers than I thought!

Very nice looking knives on here, guys.

Here's a nice old Cattaraugus sleeveboard whittler. 3 3/4".

Nice Catt Joe!

I was able to take better photos of the 804's this morning... The bone Walden is really fine. The Parawood Walden is not.

Nice bunch of whittlers posted here. They are one of my favorite patterns. (along with others), I use one for whittling and carving withever I get the chance.

CheckSix wrote:Nice Catt Joe!

I was able to take better photos of the 804's this morning... The bone Walden is really fine. The Parawood Walden is not.

Dave, you can pack up the wooden one and send it to me! I'd be proud to have it.

Ken

Joe - that ole Cattaraugus is a mighty fine looking knife. The reason that I do not have any Cattaraugus is that I can never remember how to spell the name when I search Ebay!



Dave - Great photos of those two Schrades. I do not recall seeing a wood handle 804 before. Do you think it came from the factory like that or did it get rehandled? Anybody know? By the way, I think your jigged 804 has Delrin grips, but the guys at Schrade sure made the Delrin look good.

The reason that I think the Craftsman 9488 is the same knife as the 804 is that I asked here a year or two ago and most of the knowledgeable folks thought it was the same knife. If you look closely at the 804 and 9488 you will see that instead of having a thick main blade, each has identical brass spacers to keep the main blade centered on the two springs. That feature is unique to these knives, at least as far as I know, and a pretty good indicator that they came from the same factory. In the photo below two Craftsman 9488s are on the left and two Schrade 804s are on the right, to illustrate the spacers.

Recent release by Queen, S&M #54 Coles Wharncliffe Whittler in Burnt Stag.

Dinadan wrote: Dave - Great photos of those two Schrades. I do not recall seeing a wood handle 804 before. Do you think it came from the factory like that or did it get rehandled? Anybody know? By the way, I think you 804 has Delrin grips, but the guys at Schrade sure made the Delrin look good.

Ya, I've been trying to figure out the wood handle one. It may have been a pre-804, with Strata-Wood or ParaWood. The initial version of the 3-7/8" Mechanic's knife was a pattern #4. I've searched the catalogs I can find online and haven't found the exact knife yet.

Upon further careful inspection, I think you may be right, it's probably Delrin, which is 1961 or newer. The tang stamp is Schrade, over Walden, over NY USA. 1946 - 1973. It is really well done Delrin though because on casual inspection, it has some hints of it being bone.

CheckSix wrote:

Dinadan wrote: Dave - Great photos of those two Schrades. I do not recall seeing a wood handle 804 before. Do you think it came from the factory like that or did it get rehandled? Anybody know? By the way, I think you 804 has Delrin grips, but the guys at Schrade sure made the Delrin look good.

Ya, I've been trying to figure out the wood handle one. It may have been a pre-804, with Strata-Wood or ParaWood. The initial version of the 3-7/8" Mechanic's knife was a pattern #4. I've searched the catalogs I can find online and haven't found the exact knife yet.

Upon further careful inspection, I think you may be right, it's probably Delrin, which is 1961 or newer. The tang stamp is Schrade, over Walden, over NY USA. 1946 - 1973. It is really well done Delrin though because on casual inspection, it has some hints of it being bone.

Like I said - it looks good! I really like that jigging pattern. That Delrin is good stuff. I have four of those old knives, every one heavily used, and on every one the handles are still perfect.

Jdub wrote:This is my newest 80 USA era, i got in a trade with Jerry. Very nice knife. Great snap good color.

Absolutely beautiful whittler! I believe that stamp is a '70-79 Case stamp. How many dots does it have below the "USA"?

CheckSix wrote:I was able to take better photos of the 804's this morning... The bone Walden is really fine. The Parawood Walden is not.

The heck you say. Nothing wrong with that wood Schrade.

Tsar Bomba wrote:

Jdub wrote:This is my newest 80 USA era, i got in a trade with Jerry. Very nice knife. Great snap good color.

Absolutely beautiful whittler! I believe that stamp is a '70-79 Case stamp. How many dots does it have below the "USA"?

CheckSix wrote:I was able to take better photos of the 804's this morning... The bone Walden is really fine. The Parawood Walden is not.

The heck you say. Nothing wrong with that wood Schrade.

It does not have any dots. It's a USA era 65-69. Thanks.

Jdub wrote:It does not have any dots. It's a USA era 65-69. Thanks.

Whoops. I completely misread your post and didn't think about the USA era stamp. Conflated pattern # for year. Disregard me please. You sure seem to have made out on that trade.

S&M

...beautiful!!!!!........... ..............

Prime × 10

Very fine S&M, Ivoryman!

Here is a little, two and fifteen sixteenth inches, Sterling whittler. This knife may be tiny but someone sure used it a lot!

Thanks gents, here's one in different light.

Speaking of different light...I tried playing around with sunspots on this Cattaraugus CM-14 Sleeveboard Whittler
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Cool color differences in those scales, or the sun spots make it appear so. Pretty bones on that, and a great spear main.

I just found this tread and wow what an abundance of gorgeous knives pictured here. Here is one that seems plain compared to the others shown on these pages, a recently acquired 3-1/2" Boker. Small amount of age spots on main blade but a very solid knife and has great snap. I need to squeeze this one into the carry rotation.

Had the Northwoods out today

Are the Gladstone, MI, Northwoods all built by Queen?

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Do not know about all Gladstones, but this is just like my Queen whittlers. Although for some reason it just feels a bit different.