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Ivoryman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:13 pm This Case 54 single just came and while I love the concept, I am disappointed with the execution. I believe this was a SFO but not much special about it. Love the green canvas, love the bare head, the single wharn which is carbon steel, I assume Case Chrome Vanadium, and it's a very thin behind the edge grind, almost appears to be a concave grind. I like the blade. But. There are a few things that I never expected from Case. In all my Case buys over many years, I have never seen a run up this crude and poorly fitted. The tang looks like a boy scout with a hammer finished it. Run up sucks. Terrible. And pile side micarta scale is almost twice as thick than the mark side scale at the bare head end where it's plenty visible. Never had a knife with scales this far from symmetrical at one end. The upside is the blade is close to dead centered, there is no wobble or even hint of it. I don't know how they do this, but there is good hard snap into the open and spring feels stout like it won't close on you, and yet the open pull is pretty mild and not as hard as I expect with the way the spring feels when it's open. Closed it feels much weaker so it's easy to open, no nail breaker at all. I like that. Very well done. Just as a whole it's disappointing because it's the kind of fit and finish on the run up and bare head that make you not want anyone to let anyone look it over too closely or examine it. Bummer. I expected Case to do much better. I have many of their knives and none of them have run up like this. I like being able to let someone see my knife and be impressed with the fit and finish. I wouldn't want them to look to close because it's not good.

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:13 pm This Case 54 single just came and while I love the concept, I am disappointed with the execution. I believe this was a SFO but not much special about it. Love the green canvas, love the bare head, the single wharn which is carbon steel, I assume Case Chrome Vanadium, and it's a very thin behind the edge grind, almost appears to be a concave grind. I like the blade. But. There are a few things that I never expected from Case. In all my Case buys over many years, I have never seen a run up this crude and poorly fitted. The tang looks like a boy scout with a hammer finished it. Run up sucks. Terrible. And pile side micarta scale is almost twice as thick than the mark side scale at the bare head end where it's plenty visible. Never had a knife with scales this far from symmetrical at one end. The upside is the blade is close to dead centered, there is no wobble or even hint of it. I don't know how they do this, but there is good hard snap into the open and spring feels stout like it won't close on you, and yet the open pull is pretty mild and not as hard as I expect with the way the spring feels when it's open. Closed it feels much weaker so it's easy to open, no nail breaker at all. I like that. Very well done. Just as a whole it's disappointing because it's the kind of fit and finish on the run up and bare head that makes you not want anyone to look it over too closely or examine it. Bummer. I expected Case to do much better. I have many of their knives and none of them have run up like this. I like being able to let someone see my knife and be impressed with the fit and finish. I wouldn't want them to look too close because it's not good.

edge213 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:43 pm

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:13 pm This Case 54 single just came and while I love the concept, I am disappointed with the execution. I believe this was a SFO but not much special about it. Love the green canvas, love the bare head, the single wharn which is carbon steel, I assume Case Chrome Vanadium, and it's a very thin behind the edge grind, almost appears to be a concave grind. I like the blade. But. There are a few things that I never expected from Case. In all my Case buys over many years, I have never seen a run up this crude and poorly fitted. The tang looks like a boy scout with a hammer finished it. Run up sucks. Terrible. And pile side micarta scale is almost twice as thick than the mark side scale at the bare head end where it's plenty visible. Never had a knife with scales this far from symmetrical at one end. The upside is the blade is close to dead centered, there is no wobble or even hint of it. I don't know how they do this, but there is good hard snap into the open and spring feels stout like it won't close on you, and yet the open pull is pretty mild and not as hard as I expect with the way the spring feels when it's open. Closed it feels much weaker so it's easy to open, no nail breaker at all. I like that. Very well done. Just as a whole it's disappointing because it's the kind of fit and finish on the run up and bare head that makes you not want anyone to look it over too closely or examine it. Bummer. I expected Case to do much better. I have many of their knives and none of them have run up like this. I like being able to let someone see my knife and be impressed with the fit and finish. I wouldn't want them to look too close because it's not good.

I would send this one back to Case.

Madmarco wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:01 am

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:13 pm This Case 54 single just came and while I love the concept, I am disappointed with the execution. I believe this was a SFO but not much special about it. Love the green canvas, love the bare head, the single wharn which is carbon steel, I assume Case Chrome Vanadium, and it's a very thin behind the edge grind, almost appears to be a concave grind. I like the blade. But. There are a few things that I never expected from Case. In all my Case buys over many years, I have never seen a run up this crude and poorly fitted. The tang looks like a boy scout with a hammer finished it. Run up sucks. Terrible. And pile side micarta scale is almost twice as thick than the mark side scale at the bare head end where it's plenty visible. Never had a knife with scales this far from symmetrical at one end. The upside is the blade is close to dead centered, there is no wobble or even hint of it. I don't know how they do this, but there is good hard snap into the open and spring feels stout like it won't close on you, and yet the open pull is pretty mild and not as hard as I expect with the way the spring feels when it's open. Closed it feels much weaker so it's easy to open, no nail breaker at all. I like that. Very well done. Just as a whole it's disappointing because it's the kind of fit and finish on the run up and bare head that make you not want anyone to let anyone look it over too closely or examine it. Bummer. I expected Case to do much better. I have many of their knives and none of them have run up like this. I like being able to let someone see my knife and be impressed with the fit and finish. I wouldn't want them to look to close because it's not good.

That's such a shame you're not completely happy with your new knife Iman. It's so good looking you'd think they'd have built it perfectly. That "run-up" looks more like a "run-down". It's still a really cool knife to view though!

edge213 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:43 pm

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:13 pm This Case 54 single just came and while I love the concept, I am disappointed with the execution. I believe this was a SFO but not much special about it. Love the green canvas, love the bare head, the single wharn which is carbon steel, I assume Case Chrome Vanadium, and it's a very thin behind the edge grind, almost appears to be a concave grind. I like the blade. But. There are a few things that I never expected from Case. In all my Case buys over many years, I have never seen a run up this crude and poorly fitted. The tang looks like a boy scout with a hammer finished it. Run up sucks. Terrible. And pile side micarta scale is almost twice as thick than the mark side scale at the bare head end where it's plenty visible. Never had a knife with scales this far from symmetrical at one end. The upside is the blade is close to dead centered, there is no wobble or even hint of it. I don't know how they do this, but there is good hard snap into the open and spring feels stout like it won't close on you, and yet the open pull is pretty mild and not as hard as I expect with the way the spring feels when it's open. Closed it feels much weaker so it's easy to open, no nail breaker at all. I like that. Very well done. Just as a whole it's disappointing because it's the kind of fit and finish on the run up and bare head that makes you not want anyone to look it over too closely or examine it. Bummer. I expected Case to do much better. I have many of their knives and none of them have run up like this. I like being able to let someone see my knife and be impressed with the fit and finish. I wouldn't want them to look too close because it's not good.

I would send this one back to Case.

Madmarco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:26 pm

zed6309 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:36 am

Madmarco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:20 pm Very nice trade-off Paul, now you have an instant Lag collection!

I was only after one as wanted to add it to my knives of the world collection I'm working on

I know what you're talking about Paul, I've been collecting unusual knives from around the world too, and so far have close to 100 or so from different countries. I'm also quite aware of the discouragement one feels when they have to buy an entire lot of knives in order to secure the one you want, but it happens sometimes.

zed6309 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:03 pm

Madmarco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:26 pm

zed6309 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:36 am

I was only after one as wanted to add it to my knives of the world collection I'm working on

I know what you're talking about Paul, I've been collecting unusual knives from around the world too, and so far have close to 100 or so from different countries. I'm also quite aware of the discouragement one feels when they have to buy an entire lot of knives in order to secure the one you want, but it happens sometimes.

Marco it is a doozie though
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Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:14 am Fox knives are new to me. Italian. This model/patten is the Livri. Very impressive out the box. I haven't found a flaw. The run up compared to the Case above is not even the same ball park. Centered down the middle, all transitions smooth, the micarta scales are the same thickness, it's finished well, cool little jimping on the spine. Very nice half stop and going out from half to open is light. Going home from half stop to closed takes more pressure. Interesting little feature I've never seen before. And there is no nail nick or long pull. But it's easy to pinch open, EZO I guess without a notch. That's kind of cool. This is a slip joint. Modern take on old traditional concept. So far so good. Love the micarta texture on this. Much more purchase than the Case slick micarta. This has weave exposed and is great grip, nicely done. Like this little Livri.

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:14 am Like this little Livri.

Dan In MI wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:41 am

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:14 am Like this little Livri.

Looks to be a very finely crafted knife, and a blend of traditional and modern that works. Your photos show it very well, too. I'll have to put it on my various wish lists!

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:14 am Fox knives are new to me. Italian. This model/patten is the Livri. Very impressive out the box. I haven't found a flaw. The run up compared to the Case above is not even the same ball park. Centered down the middle, all transitions smooth, the micarta scales are the same thickness, it's finished well, cool little jimping on the spine. Very nice half stop and going out from half to open is light. Going home from half stop to closed takes more pressure. Interesting little feature I've never seen before. And there is no nail nick or long pull. But it's easy to pinch open, EZO I guess without a notch. That's kind of cool. This is a slip joint. Modern take on old traditional concept. So far so good. Love the micarta texture on this. Much more purchase than the Case slick micarta. This has weave exposed and is great grip, nicely done. Like this little Livri.

Madmarco wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:19 am

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:14 am Fox knives are new to me. Italian. This model/patten is the Livri. Very impressive out the box. I haven't found a flaw. The run up compared to the Case above is not even the same ball park. Centered down the middle, all transitions smooth, the micarta scales are the same thickness, it's finished well, cool little jimping on the spine. Very nice half stop and going out from half to open is light. Going home from half stop to closed takes more pressure. Interesting little feature I've never seen before. And there is no nail nick or long pull. But it's easy to pinch open, EZO I guess without a notch. That's kind of cool. This is a slip joint. Modern take on old traditional concept. So far so good. Love the micarta texture on this. Much more purchase than the Case slick micarta. This has weave exposed and is great grip, nicely done. Like this little Livri.

I'm familiar with Fox knives bud, and all the models I've seen have been quality pieces at very reasonable prices. Ebay usually has a few listed. Your new Livri is one fine looking knife, and that's what the run-up and blade centering should look like. I'm quite a fan of Micarta too, and wide pinchable blades are another fav of mine. Jus' goes to show, you don't need to spend a fortune for a good knife! Enjoy it man!

JamieinWV wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:15 pm

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:14 am Fox knives are new to me. Italian. This model/patten is the Livri. Very impressive out the box. I haven't found a flaw. The run up compared to the Case above is not even the same ball park. Centered down the middle, all transitions smooth, the micarta scales are the same thickness, it's finished well, cool little jimping on the spine. Very nice half stop and going out from half to open is light. Going home from half stop to closed takes more pressure. Interesting little feature I've never seen before. And there is no nail nick or long pull. But it's easy to pinch open, EZO I guess without a notch. That's kind of cool. This is a slip joint. Modern take on old traditional concept. So far so good. Love the micarta texture on this. Much more purchase than the Case slick micarta. This has weave exposed and is great grip, nicely done. Like this little Livri.

I can get Fox knives, and after your glowing praises about it, I looked it up. It’s out of stock but at $84 that is a good deal through Deadwood, my dealer cost is $84.37. They must have bought them on a multi same model bulk buy. Very good assessment of it.

treefarmer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:35 pm Got this tiny little #43 from Scott today. He included a nice older Carborundum stone and a rather unique key chain!
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Love the older Queens even if they have imitation Winterbottom handles!
Treefarmer

JamieinWV wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:07 pm

treefarmer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:35 pm Got this tiny little #43 from Scott today. He included a nice older Carborundum stone and a rather unique key chain!
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Love the older Queens even if they have imitation Winterbottom handles!
Treefarmer

Be careful what you ask for Caitlyn (Bruce) Jenner ate those Wheaties and well not sure what happened but I don’t think that grew into a bigger knife.

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:43 pm Well the Case company contacted me. They have agreed to "fix" the knife if I pay the shipping back to CAse. And agree to pay for any work they do on it. Well, what could I say? Couldn't deny them that. Just glad they agreed to try to fix it and will be interested to see what the do to it and how it ends up. Fingers crossed, not very confident either. After seeing how they let it leave the factory the first time I wonder.

treefarmer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:35 pm Got this tiny little #43 from Scott today.

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:43 pm Fingers crossed, not very confident either.

Madmarco wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:55 am

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:43 pm Well the Case company contacted me. They have agreed to "fix" the knife if I pay the shipping back to CAse. And agree to pay for any work they do on it. Well, what could I say? Couldn't deny them that. Just glad they agreed to try to fix it and will be interested to see what the do to it and how it ends up. Fingers crossed, not very confident either. After seeing how they let it leave the factory the first time I wonder.

As pleased as I am for you bud that Case will fix your knife I'm equally disappointed they're making you pay for the shipping and any work they do on it. That "any" work should have been done in their factory before the knife was released onto the market and definitely should not be your responsibility since the work they'll need to do is what your unhappy with in the first place. Neither the shipping nor "any" work will likely be expensive, but that's besides the point, you purchased a knife from them in good faith you'd receive a quality product, but they dropped the ball on this one and should ethically and morally take ALL the responsibility. It's a shame they put you in this position, because it's such a nice knife that you obviously desire and they're taking advantage of that fact by piling on more charges. You seem O.K. with their proposal but I'm thinking, had you not liked the knife as much as you do you'd have told them to step-off and that they've lost a good customer. I'm reading and hearing more and more everyday how much Case has slid downhill with their quality control, and if it continues they're gonna find themselves at the back of the knife sales line. Sorry for the rant, it just upsets me when companies don't stand behind their product.

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:52 am

Madmarco wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:55 am

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:43 pm Well the Case company contacted me. They have agreed to "fix" the knife if I pay the shipping back to CAse. And agree to pay for any work they do on it. Well, what could I say? Couldn't deny them that. Just glad they agreed to try to fix it and will be interested to see what the do to it and how it ends up. Fingers crossed, not very confident either. After seeing how they let it leave the factory the first time I wonder.

As pleased as I am for you bud that Case will fix your knife I'm equally disappointed they're making you pay for the shipping and any work they do on it. That "any" work should have been done in their factory before the knife was released onto the market and definitely should not be your responsibility since the work they'll need to do is what your unhappy with in the first place. Neither the shipping nor "any" work will likely be expensive, but that's besides the point, you purchased a knife from them in good faith you'd receive a quality product, but they dropped the ball on this one and should ethically and morally take ALL the responsibility. It's a shame they put you in this position, because it's such a nice knife that you obviously desire and they're taking advantage of that fact by piling on more charges. You seem O.K. with their proposal but I'm thinking, had you not liked the knife as much as you do you'd have told them to step-off and that they've lost a good customer. I'm reading and hearing more and more everyday how much Case has slid downhill with their quality control, and if it continues they're gonna find themselves at the back of the knife sales line. Sorry for the rant, it just upsets me when companies don't stand behind their product.

Thanks for the support Marco. I concur with all you said. I'm OK with it only because I really have no choice if I want them to try to fix it. I don't like paying the shipping, or the possibility of more charges later believe me. But what choice do I have? I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to get a knife that I'm happy with it and if they are willing to work on it and fix it I will at least give them the chance to rectify it. Do I think it's right? No. Is it cost effective or economically sound? No. But I'm between a rock and a hard spot. I want to see what they do, how it is after fixing, and what Case customer service will do for me. I already made up my mind on the whole purchase. I already determined I'm not a fan of Case quality or a believer in their products and loyal buyer. I know I'm not their target market either. But I liked the concept and would have tried one anyway. Maybe they will surprise me, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm not really happy with how it stands, but I'm resigned to watch what happens. Hey, I get suckered into buying a new Case about every 5 years and swear I won't be fooled into buying their knives again, only to let enough time go by that I forget my ire and do it again. Like a dog to his vomit.

JamieinWV wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:58 am

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:52 am

Madmarco wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:55 am

Thanks for the support Marco. I concur with all you said. I'm OK with it only because I really have no choice if I want them to try to fix it. I don't like paying the shipping, or the possibility of more charges later believe me. But what choice do I have? I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to get a knife that I'm happy with it and if they are willing to work on it and fix it I will at least give them the chance to rectify it. Do I think it's right? No. Is it cost effective or economically sound? No. But I'm between a rock and a hard spot. I want to see what they do, how it is after fixing, and what Case customer service will do for me. I already made up my mind on the whole purchase. I already determined I'm not a fan of Case quality or a believer in their products and loyal buyer. I know I'm not their target market either. But I liked the concept and would have tried one anyway. Maybe they will surprise me, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm not really happy with how it stands, but I'm resigned to watch what happens. Hey, I get suckered into buying a new Case about every 5 years and swear I won't be fooled into buying their knives again, only to let enough time go by that I forget my ire and do it again. Like a dog to his vomit.

Not trying to but when any knife is new you should be able to wipe a lent free cleaning rag down a factory edge without it being grabbed from rough edge grind. I sent 3 back to my distributor is last 3-4 months because of rough final sharpening, I also realize they produce more knives in a week than most knife manufacturers make in a year. But still you need to make sure your products are right before leaving manufacturer plant. I worked in a plant that quality was paramount, I happen to work on a gear line that made all internal gears and shafts for Toyota automatic transmissions, I work heat treat all the way to final polishing, and I can honestly say that a rough edge on a gear or any other part would not pass through.

I agree wholeheartedly. That's why Toyota is now the number one seller world wide of cars. All my growing up days and into adulthood it was GM. Toyota blew them and everyone else away. Why? Because they make good quality, performing cars and they are affordable and get good mileage. Pure and simple. I'm sure your gears helped the deal. If I tried to wipe the blade with a microfiber cloth, I don't think you could get the cloth back off without damaging it. It would stick no matter where you put it. Definitely beating a dead horse here, Case has been discussed to death for years on their lack of quality control and letting junk out the factory doors. They are becoming like Queen to me. About 2015 I quit buying Queen recent releases and only go after their 20th century knives. Case is going that route. They lost another customer with this one. I won't buy anymore from a company that is squandering their reputation, putting out crap with so many flaws I feel like they are novelty or gas station knives. Every knife I've bought in the last 5 years that is not Case beats Case quality. I have not had a Case keeper since then. Sad. They used to lead the industry and raise the standard. Now they are dragging it down. This is not the first knife I have had with serious issues from Case. I am starting to view them like Queen and Queen isn't in business anymore. Maybe a harbinger of things to come.