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Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:54 am
by Quick Steel
kj, Given its age I think the condition is quite good. I don't know if there is a way to stop the pin cracks from developing further. Maybe putting on a layer of Renn wax or something similar?

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:59 am
by kootenay joe
Thanks QS. I think pin cracks in ivory are stable as long as knife is not dropped onto a hard surface. I think the crack occurs with the last tap of the hafter's pin hammer.
The front handle shows no grain and on it's own i would doubt it to be ivory. However the back handle does show some typical ivory grain, so the front handle is also ivory. I mention this so you can know that sometimes ivory will not show any grain.
It does not have "Germany" so could be pre 1891 but more likely F.Herder did not export to USA in early 1900's. Anyone know if or when F. Herder knives were imported into USA ? Note: there are about 5 "Herder" knife manufacturers; this one is "Friedr. Herder Abr.Sohn" ( or "F. Herder"). The crossed keys logo was registered in 1848. Their more well known logo is the Spade that goes back to 1727.
kj

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:33 am
by BWT
Roland can't help you with the knife information, but it's a beauty!!!

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:34 pm
by Sharpnshinyknives
kootenay joe wrote:Thanks QS. I think pin cracks in ivory are stable as long as knife is not dropped onto a hard surface. I think the crack occurs with the last tap of the hafter's pin hammer.
The front handle shows no grain and on it's own i would doubt it to be ivory. However the back handle does show some typical ivory grain, so the front handle is also ivory. I mention this so you can know that sometimes ivory will not show any grain.
It does not have "Germany" so could be pre 1891 but more likely F.Herder did not export to USA in early 1900's. Anyone know if or when F. Herder knives were imported into USA ? Note: there are about 5 "Herder" knife manufacturers; this one is "Friedr. Herder Abr.Sohn" ( or "F. Herder"). The crossed keys logo was registered in 1848. Their more well known logo is the Spade that goes back to 1727.
kj
Roland, Simple elegance is the phrase that comes to mind when I see this knife. Very nice.
SSk

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:46 pm
by kootenay joe
I bought it from Bill Claussen who said it came from the Herder Factory display and that it dates to 1880's. He bought much or all ? of the display.
kj

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:52 pm
by RobesonsRme.com
That's awfully white for hundred+ year old ivory.

Beautiful knife.

Charlie Noyes

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:37 pm
by kootenay joe
My understanding is that ivory darkens from contact with skin oils. If never handled the color does not darken. I have some ivory carvings that were purchased as antiques in London about 1910-1914. Some of these are 'white' and have not changed since i first saw them at about age 5 (67 years ago). They are stored in a metal lock box with cotton wool padding. (even the cotton wool is antique, better quality than what you can get now)
kj

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:53 pm
by Rocketman
presumably one of one....bark ivory. Case Classic.

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:18 pm
by Quick Steel
Beautiful knife Rocketman. ::tu::

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:53 am
by woodwalker
That is sweet!!

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:01 am
by kootenay joe
Wow, that is quite a knife ! Made by Queen ?
I have a Queen 'Baby Sunfish' with similar looking ivory.
kj

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:19 am
by doglegg
Nothing compares to ivory. Very lovely. ::handshake::

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:00 pm
by Montanaman
Beautiful knives in this thread ::tu::

ABS Master Smith Steve Dunn, sole authorship, elephant ivory
aapkivoryDunn.jpg

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:33 pm
by doglegg
Yes Sir Kris, yes Sir!!! ::nod::

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:43 pm
by Montanaman
doglegg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:33 pm Yes Sir Kris, yes Sir!!! ::nod::
Thanks doglegg, it is a very nice knife, IMO. Here is a favorite of my that I used to carry a lot. ABS M.S. John White passed away a few years ago. He was an amazing man, stellar knife maker, and a terrific wood worker, and a few folks are lucky enough to own one of his canoes. Differentially heat treated 1084. Paul Long sheaths
aapkivoryWhite.jpg

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:56 pm
by kootenay joe
Wow Kris you do have some special knives and i know it is not easy to get hold of the 'special' ones. Not every knife a custom a knife maker creates has this 'instant appeal', that these 2 do.
kj

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:05 am
by Old Hunter
Montanaman wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:43 pm
doglegg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:33 pm Yes Sir Kris, yes Sir!!! ::nod::
Thanks doglegg, it is a very nice knife, IMO. Here is a favorite of my that I used to carry a lot. ABS M.S. John White passed away a few years ago. He was an amazing man, stellar knife maker, and a terrific wood worker, and a few folks are lucky enough to own one of his canoes. Differentially heat treated 1084. Paul Long sheaths

aapkivoryWhite.jpg
Wow Kris, that is a lifetime knife right there - simply perfect! OH

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:39 pm
by Rocketman
kootenay joe wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:01 am Wow, that is quite a knife ! Made by Queen ?
I have a Queen 'Baby Sunfish' with similar looking ivory.
kj
Thanks, it is a Case. I’ve had it for many years. Have a few other Case Ivory’s that are supposed to be one of a kind or one of less than 5-10 mostly prototypes. I presume not enough handle material to enter production. Just prototypes and salesman’s samples.

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:40 pm
by Rocketman
Montanaman wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:43 pm
doglegg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:33 pm Yes Sir Kris, yes Sir!!! ::nod::
Thanks doglegg, it is a very nice knife, IMO. Here is a favorite of my that I used to carry a lot. ABS M.S. John White passed away a few years ago. He was an amazing man, stellar knife maker, and a terrific wood worker, and a few folks are lucky enough to own one of his canoes. Differentially heat treated 1084. Paul Long sheaths

aapkivoryWhite.jpg
That is a fine piece of work right there.

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:42 pm
by Rocketman
Quick Steel wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:18 pm Beautiful knife Rocketman. ::tu::
Thanks! I’ve held on to it and quite a few others about 20 years now. Take them out of the box once or twice a year, caress them and love on them a bit, then put them back. Lol.

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:55 pm
by Rocketman
Presumably 1 of 1, Case, Bark Ivory, Red Cartridge

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:59 pm
by Rocketman
Proto...

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:00 pm
by Rocketman
Montanaman wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:00 pm Beautiful knives in this thread ::tu::

ABS Master Smith Steve Dunn, sole authorship, elephant ivory

aapkivoryDunn.jpg
Stunning knife.

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:08 pm
by Montanaman
kootenay joe wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:56 pm Wow Kris you do have some special knives and i know it is not easy to get hold of the 'special' ones. Not every knife a custom a knife maker creates has this 'instant appeal', that these 2 do.
kj
Old Hunter wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:05 am
Wow Kris, that is a lifetime knife right there - simply perfect! OH
Rocketman wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:40 pm That is a fine piece of work right there
Rocketman wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:00 pm Stunning knife.
Thanks folks, I really appreciate the comments. Beautiful ivory on those Case's rocketman ::tu::

Re: Elephant Ivory Handles

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:03 pm
by Rocketman
kootenay joe wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:01 am Wow, that is quite a knife ! Made by Queen ?
I have a Queen 'Baby Sunfish' with similar looking ivory.
kj
I think it was actually made by Queen for Case. Supposed to be a Case Classic.