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Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:55 pm
by peanut740
Dave,I really like the Wards and that stag Utica. ::tu::

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:16 pm
by FRJ
A very nice group of knives, Dave. I like em all!! ::tu::

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:23 am
by treefarmer
Dave, what else do you have hidden in your safe? Those are great old knives! ::nod::
Treefarmer

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:45 am
by Duffer
Wonderful/beautiful group of knives Dave! I like photos showing groups of knives ::tu::

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:02 am
by OLDE CUTLER
This is an old Wards cattle knife I have. Not in the best shape, but serviceable. I always wondered if there was a Wards cutlery company or is this referring to Montgomery Wards products? I really like these spiral awls like this one. This one has steel bolsters and liners, so it was a cheaper knife. Sure sharpens up to a fine edge though.
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Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:21 am
by tongueriver
Good old Monkey Wards. Those spiral punches usually signify Camillus as the maker.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:01 am
by FRJ
Nice knife, Olde Cuttler.

Here's an old Wards.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:27 am
by OLDE CUTLER
FRJ
That's a lot nicer Wards that mine. When I got this one it was so rusted the blades wouldn't open at all. I use a product called "KROIL" on the hinge pins to loosen things up. I don't know if you have ever used or heard of KROIL, but the claim is that it will penetrate into spaces a small as one millionth of an inch!! I heard a funny story last winter at a gunshow, when I was standing at a table talking to a dealer and he happened to sell KROIL in one pint cans. As I was standing there a fellow came up to the table and wanted to buy a can of KROIL. The dealer recognized him, and said "You went thru that can I sold you 2 weeks ago already?" The guy said "sort of". He stated that he took the can of KROIL home, and to make it more convenient to use, he had poured the whole thing into one of the old fashion "farmer style" oil cans, the kind with the flexible spout and the lever you pump with your thumb. He left it sitting on his workbench overnight, and by the next morning the whole can had leaked out thru the crimped on bottom of the old oil pump can. Seems the bottom of those are made to hold in thick oil like would be used on farm equipment, but not something like KROIL with molecules one millionth of an inch!!

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:46 am
by Duffer
OC, that is a funny story ::nod:: I have used Kroil for many many years. Just a super penetrating/creeping fluid or oil. Use to mix it with gun cleaning solvent and it worked great to loosen up hard to get out carbon crud in my rifles. It works wonders on really gummed up or hard to open pivots on folding knives. If I have a stiff or hard to open old folder I submerge the pivot end in Kroil overnight and a lot of times it really loosens up the pivot and greatly improves the action. It is used a lot or most often on bolts or other metal to metal fasterns frozen by corrosion or rust. A great product to have on hand when you need it!

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:39 am
by FRJ
Thanks guys. Now i'm going to get some Kroil. ::nod::

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:47 pm
by peanut740
tongueriver wrote:
americanedgetech wrote:I found this post... with the same pattern knife.
Jacknifeben wrote:HERE IS A UTICA THREE BACK SPRING WHITTLER WITH SLANTED GROOVED PINCHED BOLSTERS, ETCHED MASTER BLADE WITH LONG PULL SPEY AND PUNCH BLADE. THE HAR-MAC ETCH IS A HARDWARE CHAIN HARPER MCINTIRE WITH A WAREHOUSE IN OTTUMWA IOWA.
It appears to be the same knife, not just the same pattern. And it's a good one! ::tu::
Challenge also had knives with the HAR MAC etch.All though not a cattle knife.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:24 pm
by djknife13
Here are two Ulster Knife Co. (pre 1941) knives I picked up today along with a pile I showed in Knife Finds of the Day.___Dave

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:04 pm
by FRJ
Nice knives, Dave and Roger. ::tu:: ::tu::

This old knife has the unusual small clip blade but I think it could be a cattle knife, no?

3 5/8"

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:09 am
by steve99f
Another user of Kroil. Can't recommend it enough. Hard to find but I know Dixon's Muzzleloading sells in their shop in Kempton, PA.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:13 am
by djknife13
Joe, I would say that's a cattle knife based on Levine's description of cattle knives. ____Dave

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:41 am
by FRJ
Thank you, Dave. ::tu::

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:17 am
by RalphAlsip
Here is an old Cattle knife with a punch marked "Wester Bros Warranted New York" that is now in my herd thanks to Harold stockman.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:24 am
by FRJ
That's a very nice knife, Jerry. The blades look like they have very little use.
They look so well seated in the well.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:33 am
by royal0014
Very nice Ralph . ::tu::

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:43 am
by TripleF
Beauty Jerry!!! ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:32 pm
by peanut740
Jerry,nice knife.Has the look of an early Schrade Cut.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:30 pm
by RalphAlsip
peanut740 wrote:Jerry,nice knife.Has the look of an early Schrade Cut.
Good observation Roger. (See picture below). Harold had the same observation when he was giving me his sales "pitch" (lol). There are differences in bolsters, blades, jigging, etc., but the shield looks identical. I added a NYK into the picture for good measure to show similarity between the Wester Bros bone and the NYK bone.

Thanks everyone for the gracious comments. In addition to looking nice, the operational characteristics of opening and closing blades are like a new knife.

Harold sent me a few more knives that will get posted over the next couple of days. Everyone should realize I'm joking when I mention "Harold" and "sales pitch" together. Harold is one of the nicest people you could hope to meet.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:33 pm
by OLDE CUTLER
Amazing how many of these you see, old knives with no makers mark on them except sometimes like this cattle knife, just stamped USA. I picked this one up at a fleamarket for $2 and have used it as an EDC for a while. I suppose it's possible that some of these unmarked knives were originally etched on the blade only, but after years of use that disappears along with any idea of who made them. This one could have been made by Camillus, Schrade, or who knows. The double stamp "USA USA" is kind of interesting.
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Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:45 pm
by Miller Bro's
Joe, Jerry, and OC nice old knives ::tu::

Here's one I have had for a long time, don't think I ever posted it.

Re: Old Cattle Knives

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:49 pm
by peanut740
RalphAlsip wrote:
peanut740 wrote:Jerry,nice knife.Has the look of an early Schrade Cut.
Good observation Roger. (See picture below). Harold had the same observation when he was giving me his sales "pitch" (lol). There are differences in bolsters, blades, jigging, etc., but the shield looks identical. I added a NYK into the picture for good measure to show similarity between the Wester Bros bone and the NYK bone.

Thanks everyone for the gracious comments. In addition to looking nice, the operational characteristics of opening and closing blades are like a new knife.

Harold sent me a few more knives that will get posted over the next couple of days. Everyone should realize I'm joking when I mention "Harold" and "sales pitch" together. Harold is one of the nicest people you could hope to meet.
Jerry ,early Schrade Cut jigging is very similar to NYK.Also the punch looks like a Schrade.