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Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:02 am
by coffeecup
Floridian1, that first one is WWII era. Cole's has it as an "Army Air Corps and Navy Sheath Knife". You might want to peek at the thread here: http://allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_f ... 63&t=19366

Jim

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:34 pm
by floridian1
Thanks, I researched for a few weeks and had read that artical. I can't remember where I read but I thought it was WWI b/c of the arched first line but WWII sounds more realistic to the family timeline with knives and pipes. Grandfather was an Army paratrooper in the 508th during that time. Thanks for clarifying. Jeff

How about the second one? What is that one? Sorry but I don't collect knives. These have been in a box for 30/40 years.

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:28 pm
by orvet
The second is a jack pattern, probably made in the 1960s or 1970s.
There may be a pattern number on the back of the main blade.
The handles are a synthetic material, not bone.

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:10 pm
by floridian1
which thread should I post the others. would other members or yourself mind if I posted pics of the ones I have to help ID them? Thanks

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:37 am
by orvet
If they are Camillus, post them in this thread: http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... &start=600

If they are other brands, just post them in the General Knife forum. ::tu::

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:45 am
by WelderBob
Here are a couple oldie's, a swell center with arch stamp's on both blades and a jack with arch stamp master and straight line on the pen...I love the shields on these... :)

Bob

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:49 am
by tjmurphy
Oooooooo-Weeeeee!! Nice one's Bob ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:59 am
by orvet
Those are beauties Bob! ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu:: ::drool::

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:18 pm
by travman
WOW....those are some beuties :mrgreen:

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:44 pm
by WelderBob
Thanks guys, I have a soft spot for old Camillus... ::nod::

This Ebony cokebottle has steel liners and bolsters plus a shield thats 2" long!

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:36 am
by orvet
Another beauty Bob!
Is that an early 3 line tang stamp?

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:43 am
by orvet
Yesterday I got pictures from carrmillus of a 4 line Camillus sun fish or elephant toenail as some people call them.

I told carrmillus I would post the pics for him, so here they are so he can comment on them.

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:25 am
by carrmillus
...dale, thanks for posting these photos for me!!.... ::tu:: .....this has got to be one of the top three(along with my 4line split backspring whittler and my 4line take- apart hobo knife) camillus knives in my collection of 109 camillus knives. took me 12 years to find this one. an older(92 yrs. old) friend told me he doesn't think camillus produced this pattern later than the late '20's. if anyone knows for sure, please let me know. if anyone has any info on it, please comment!!..thanks again, dale!!!...

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:42 am
by WelderBob
Now thats a dandy Carrmillus... ::drool:: ...I would love to find one of those... ::nod::

Dale I'm not real sure about the stamp, it looks identical to the sunfish minus the USA. The Goins' book I have does not show this stamp, being all steel construction with ebony handles and lanyard hole I'm thinking 1920 to 1930...and I could be way off.

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:00 am
by carrmillus
..bob, you're right about the stamp, it looks like the 1919-1941 stamp minus the "usa". it doesn't have a lanyard hole and the handles are brown rogers bone. the bolsters don't take much of a shine, so i'm thinking they are steel...........

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:57 am
by orvet
carrmillus wrote: the bolsters don't take much of a shine, so i'm thinking they are steel...........
I use a magnet to check old bolsters I think are steel.



Bob-
Based in the info I have from Tom Williams and on a knife that I can date to 1932, my hypothesis is the 3 line stamp that is like the 4 line stamp, minus the USA, I think the 4 line stamp was introduced about 1933.



This 3 line tang stamp is from one of the George Washington quill knives in my collection. Camillus reproduced these in 1932. It is the same stamp as the 4 line without the forth line, the USA.
1932 Camillus Geo Washington tang.jpg
1932 Camillus Geo Washington tang.jpg (39.81 KiB) Viewed 3022 times


We are fortunate that Camillus made some knives in 1933 for the Worlds Fair. As you can see it is the same 4 line tang stamp used until 1946.
1933 Worlds Fair knife Cam Tang.jpg
1933 Worlds Fair knife Cam Tang.jpg (25.86 KiB) Viewed 3022 times

Based on the two examples easily dated to 1932 & 1933 it is fairly easy to see that Camillus in all likelihood introduced the 4 line tang stamp in late 1932 or 1933. I think 1933 is the most likely date. The new stamp was most likely introduced at the beginning of the year with new patterns.

I think it is most probable the 3 line tang stamp (as seen on the George Washington knife) was introduced after WW I.

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:12 pm
by orvet
Here is one I picked up and just got cleaned up.
Camillus 4 line USA camper a.jpg
Camillus 4 line USA camper b.jpg
Not a lot of rust on the inside surprisingly.
Camillus 4 line USA camper c.jpg
I think it could still use some more cleaning.
Camillus 4 line USA camper d.jpg
It has the standard WW II era 4 line tang stamp though it is a bit faint.
I had to set the scanner up to 1200 dpi to get this scan.
The tang stamp is mostly there but staining and rubbing on the tang makes it hard to get a good scan of it.
Camillus 4 line USA camper tang.jpg
To my amazement there is good snap to all the blades, even the spear blade!
Admittedly the snap of the spear blade is not as strong as the other blades, but it has more snap than most new Old Timers (due to the Swinden Key construction Old Timers don't snap as much IMHO).







Here is another knife that probably belongs here.
It has the Sword Brand tang stamp which was probably made prior to 1946 (according to Tom Williams).
The handles are celluloid that have striations in it making it resemble horn.
Camillus Sword Brand farmer jack a.jpg
Camillus Sword Brand farmer jack b.jpg
Here is the tang stamp.
Camillus Sword Brand farmer jack tang d.jpg

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:16 am
by WelderBob
I like that farmers jack Dale...those handles look to be in good shape, I thought they were buffalo horn at first. ::tu::

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:31 am
by stockman
My E-Toe. I have shown it before. Hope a encore is ok.

Stockman

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:17 am
by carrmillus
.......stockman, looks like we got twins!!!........... ::tu:: ................

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:27 pm
by WelderBob
Stockman that is one very nice knife... ::tu:: ::drool:: ...outstanding bone, the kind of knife that I dream of finding... ::nod::


Bob

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:38 pm
by stockman
Thanks Bob, Stockman

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:03 am
by orvet
I looked back through all the 19 pages of this topic and I have 2 or 3 that belong here that I have not posted here. I will post them as I get time. If I have posted them in this thread before, I apologize for the repetition.


The blades on this knife are pretty worn, but the bone is gorgeous and the propeller shield makes it even more attractive in my opinion. It has the Sword Brand stamp on the master blade and the 4 line stamp on the pen blade.

The bone is about the color of Rogers’s bone, but the jigging looks different. Maybe someone knows if it was one of Roger’s jigging patterns as well.

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:20 am
by orvet
Here is another easy open jack with an early 3 line tang stamp.
Too bad the pen blade is broken. I could replace it but I don't have a pen blade with this 3 line stamp.
Pretty old bone and a nice shield!
Camillus EO bone jack 3 line a.jpg
Camillus EO bone jack 3 line b.jpg
Camillus EO bone jack 3 line c.jpg



Come on guys, lets see some more of your old Camillus'.
Surely you aren't out of them yet?

Re: Camillus WWII and before!

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:19 pm
by WelderBob
That is pretty bone and I like those shield's... ::tu::

I've got a EO Camillus but it's a military model with bail...if that one was mine it would end up a one blade... ::nod::