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Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:43 pm
by galvanic1882
Here is my latest, a bit beat up but I had to have it. Inside were 2 original wrappers in nice condition.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:50 pm
by wlf
It's amazes me these are still around guys,nice finds everybody.Harold,that one is nice.
Glad you got that one Mike.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:55 am
by PA Knives
I have only ever heard of one other of this one. David Clark has it. Super rare check it out He showed me a picture of the box years ago and I took a pic of the pic. He later told me he was able to buy the box. I have yet to see another until this one.
We have determined that indeed they were made by Schatt & Morgan, but the story behind the name and distribution remains a mystery. I have seen and I own nice examples that clearly show that S & M made them, but again no further history. A history lesson yet to be determined, but I hope to uncover the complete story someday.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:13 am
by Beechtree
Great one PA. Really neat to see it. Any idea about approximate dates of manufacture?
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:41 pm
by PA Knives
I created this group. I bought all these box top labels still on cardboard. I have never seen the smaller PENN CUTLERY or the TIDIOUTE CUTLERY black label. I know my passion for vintage knives and related history is not shared my many, but I know all my friends at this forum will appreciate what I have here. I think this is just awesome and truly one of a kind.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:21 am
by Miller Bro's
Very nice display David
I know how long it can take to find these boxes in all their variations

Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:59 am
by Lawrence
I went to Davenport, Iowa for a conference and had a chance to visit a few of the local stores. I'll never be the same again since I found this 1992, United, U.S.A., Indiana Jones adventure knife.

Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:36 am
by Miller Bro's
Here is an old Holley knife box.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:32 pm
by PA Knives
Dmitri
In "reading the box", I find it very interesting the comment of "extra cast" I wonder just what that is? We learn so much from these items if we just look. More than once I have gone off on a research path based on a box or piece of paper. That's what keeps it fun
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:03 pm
by Miller Bro's
PA Knives wrote: I find it very interesting the comment of "extra cast" I wonder just what that is?
A marketing ploy. The term "Cast Steel" was the sign of high quality steel in it`s day, advertising "Extra Cast Steel" would sound even better to the uninformed buyer.
It`s kind of like buying olive oil today at a supermarket, they have "Virgin" olive oil and "Extra Virgin" olive oil

Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:07 pm
by junebug
ha! aint that the truth..... made me look...and i found this
Steel casting is a specialized form of casting involving various types of steel. Steel castings are used when cast irons cannot deliver enough strength or shock resistance.[1]
Examples of items that are steel castings include: hydroelectric turbine wheels, forging presses, gears, railroad truck frames, valve bodies, pump casings, mining machinery, marine equipment, Turbocharger Turbines and engine cylinder blocks.[1]
Steel castings are categorized into two general groups: carbon steels and alloy steels.[1]
does all this simply add up to a higher carbon content????

...i dunno but COOL INDEED!
LOVE THE HOLLEY BOX

Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:42 pm
by jerryd6818
Miller Bro`s wrote:It`s kind of like buying olive oil today at a supermarket, they have "Virgin" olive oil and "Extra Virgin" olive oil

Extra-Virgin Olive Oil: All olive oils that are less than 1% acidity and produced by the first pressing of the olive fruit through the cold pressing process is called extra-virgin olive oil. According to Paul Armas Lepisto, Director of The Olive University, most olive oils today are extra virgin in name only, meeting only the minimum requirement. Extra virgin is a chemical requirement that does not indicate quality and taste.
Virgin Olive Oil: It is made from olives that are slightly riper than those used in the production of extra-virgin oil. Virgin olive oil is produced in the same way, but it is essentially defective or low-grade extra virgin oil. This oil's acidity is a slightly higher level of 1 1/2%.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:01 pm
by PA Knives
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:21 pm
by Miller Bro's
jerryd6818 wrote:Virgin olive oil is produced in the same way, but it is essentially defective or low-grade extra virgin oil.i
In other words aside from a slightly higher acid content, which to me is unnoticeable, it is the same damn thing, they just get you to pay more for it!
Trust me I use this stuff by the gallon

Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:02 pm
by jerryd6818
Miller Bro`s wrote:In other words aside from a slightly higher acid content, which to me is unnoticeable, it is the same damn thing, they just get you to pay more for it!
Trust me I use this stuff by the gallon

Well kinda sorta but not really. Fine (Virgin) olive oil is from the second pressing and for those who have refined taste buds (sure as hell not me) it's a lower grade - not table grade.
Extra-Virgin is also not recommended for cooking because the smoke point is so low.
Hey David. Isn't AAPK information central, the educational knife forum??
And for a half-a----d attempt at keeping this thread on topic:
Knife boxes 
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:05 pm
by PA Knives
How we went from old knife boxes to Olive oil is an interesting trip, but at least we made the rounds and found our way back home. Guess that why I like this place. Getting their is more than half the fun.

Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:08 am
by Beechtree
mmmmm....olive oil....
Oh yea, great old Holley Box Dimitri! I have never seen that display type for a Holley before.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:48 am
by Joe Dirt
Lawrence, that Indiana Jones knife in the origonal box is a great find! Love it!
And, D! All I can do is drool over the Holley box

. That is one rare piece!
All you guys are just feeding my "cardboard addiction"... hmmm

olive oil and cardboard - that will work.
... Joe
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:43 am
by Shearer
Quote"Joe Dirt olive oil and cardboard - that will work.

I don't know about olive oil and cardboard.
They use cardboard and canola oil to test how many mice are in a crop. The make the cardboard 12"X12" with one inch squares marked and see how much the mice eat overnight.
Back to subject:
Jerry : Like your knife boxes
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:17 am
by wlf
jerryd6818 wrote:Miller Bro`s wrote:In other words aside from a slightly higher acid content, which to me is unnoticeable, it is the same damn thing, they just get you to pay more for it!
Trust me I use this stuff by the gallon

Well kinda sorta but not really. Fine (Virgin) olive oil is from the second pressing and for those who have refined taste buds (sure as hell not me) it's a lower grade - not table grade.
Extra-Virgin is also not recommended for cooking because the smoke point is so low.
Hey David. Isn't AAPK information central, the educational knife forum??
And for a half-a----d attempt at keeping this thread on topic:
Knife boxes 
Nice recovery Jerry.
Lawrence,get your whip and hat ready.
Dimitri,I still don't see how these boxes survive.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:54 pm
by Miller Bro's
Beechtree wrote: I have never seen that display type for a Holley before.
That one
is hard to find, this one is much more common

Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:00 am
by Miller Bro's
Joe Dirt wrote:And, D! All I can do is drool over the Holley box

. That is one rare piece!
Thanks Joe!
wlf wrote:I still don't see how these boxes survive.
They some how survived all these years, I told this story before but, a few years back an antique dealer I know cleaned out an attic of an old hardware store that had sat vacant for decades, it started in business in the late 1800`s sometime. In that attic the dealer found me 80 old knife boxes and a few other cutlery items for my collection!

Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:01 am
by Beechtree
Of course you have both MB! I'm glad to see them next to each other.
Here is an older Miller Bros. Note the PAT. MAY 24/70, probably indicating the novel use of screws.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:24 pm
by Joe Dirt
Here are a couple I haven't seen posted.
Re: Knife Boxes
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:32 am
by singin46
dang Joe, you've been holding out!
