Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:56 pm
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... Thanks Greg.Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 pm
RalphAlsip wrote:These pictures show Case's use of Winterbottom. The gold Winterbottom 6165 is a Tested XX era knife (~1920 - ~1940). The three equal end patterns are all W.R. Case & Sons (~1905 - ~1914).
Those are some of the best looking Winterbottom bones I have seen. Especially that last one.
SSk
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:38 pm
That jigging reminds me of the style of early 50's Japanese knives. Never saw anything like that on a USA made knife!gsmith7158 wrote:Here's an old Case and Son's knife. The lines intersect on it.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:45 pm
Finally managed to snag a Queen #51 with genuine Winterbottom Bone...not Delrin like my other 51s...and I must say, the difference is more than obvious. I much prefer the Bone.
This GEC #99 Wall Street has what they call "Burnt Orange Springfield Bone" handle scales. Not sure what "Springfield" means exactly, but it has a somewhat Winterbottom-like appearance, IMO.
~Q~
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:15 pm
QTCut5 wrote:Finally managed to snag a Queen #51 with genuine Winterbottom Bone...not Delrin like my other 51s...and I must say, the difference is more than obvious. I much prefer the Bone.
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This GEC #99 Wall Street has what they call "Burnt Orange Springfield Bone" handle scales. Not sure what "Springfield" means exactly, but it has a somewhat Winterbottom-like appearance, IMO.
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~Q~
That Queen is really fine. I thought that same thing about the Wallstreet as well.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:45 am
I picked up this Queen #51T off eBay with what I believed was an unusual color of Winterbottom Bone; however, after I got it in hand and compared it to my other Winterbottom handled #51s, I now think it's actually Winterbottom Delrin that's been dyed brown. Can't say as I've ever seen this color of Winterbottom handle before.
For comparison: Here it is between a "typical" WB Delrin #51 and a genuine WB Bone Dan Burke #51
For comparison: Here it is between a "typical" WB Delrin #51 and a genuine WB Bone Dan Burke #51
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:47 am
That’s a new one for me too Q. I like it, not as well as the bone but it’s nice to see it done like that in brown.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:29 am
That is an interesting color, Q.
Could it be brown delrin? When I enlarged the 1st picture and noticed the handle material around the center pin doesn't seem to show any light colored material below the pin.
The color reminds me of the brown delrin handles on some of the Case knives.
Your 2nd picture very well shows the identical molded imitation Winterbottom jigging pattern on the regular Queen 51's.
Treefarmer
Could it be brown delrin? When I enlarged the 1st picture and noticed the handle material around the center pin doesn't seem to show any light colored material below the pin.
The color reminds me of the brown delrin handles on some of the Case knives.
Your 2nd picture very well shows the identical molded imitation Winterbottom jigging pattern on the regular Queen 51's.
Treefarmer
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:18 pm
I got a workhorse series that's dark chocolate.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:47 pm
Not likely since the factory where they made/make Delrin wasn't finished until 1960.Sharpnshinyknives wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:12 am It reads like they were having handles made in both for over 10 years, and started using Delrin in the 50’s.
SSk
Note the name of the factory. I wonder if that is where the Winterbottom name came from since the name at the top of the sign (as always click to enlarge) is "Winterbottom.Carter & Co". "Winterbottom is a surname originating in the U.K. (Winterbottom arose in the south-east corner of Lancashire, on the Cheshire and Yorkshire borders.) so that kinda makes sense to me.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 5:10 am
Forgot all about this thread...but, I think this 1958-60 Queen #51 belongs here since it has a genuine Winterbottom Bone handle. 
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 11:35 am
That’s the nicest old Winterbottom Queen I have seen. Very nice Q, what a great addition to the collection.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 4:49 pm
Thank you, Mark. I'm discovering that all Winterbottom is not created equal; the faux WB Delrin is often quite dull or 'flat' and generally lacks the charm, magnetism and unique 'personality' that is more characteristic of genuine WB Bone. (IMO, YMMV).Sharpnshinyknives wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:35 am That’s the nicest old Winterbottom Queen I have seen. Very nice Q, what a great addition to the collection.
Here's another Queen with a genuine Winterbottom Bone handle (the only one in my collection that is NOT a 51 Mini Trapper pattern!)
1983 Queen 6155 "Old Pattern LockBack"
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 5:44 pm
Q, you've been showing some really nice winterbottom.QTCut5 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:49 pmThank you, Mark. I'm discovering that all Winterbottom is not created equal; the faux WB Delrin is often quite dull or 'flat' and generally lacks the charm, magnetism and unique 'personality' that is more characteristic of genuine WB Bone. (IMO, YMMV).Sharpnshinyknives wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:35 am That’s the nicest old Winterbottom Queen I have seen. Very nice Q, what a great addition to the collection.
Here's another Queen with a genuine Winterbottom Bone handle (the only one in my collection that is NOT a 51 Mini Trapper pattern!)
1983 Queen 6155 "Old Pattern LockBack"
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Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 5:53 pm
Q, You really have an eye for nice WB knives. I always envy collectors that can focus on something in particular, seems like my attention is like a butterfly sampling cup after cup.QTCut5 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:49 pmThank you, Mark. I'm discovering that all Winterbottom is not created equal; the faux WB Delrin is often quite dull or 'flat' and generally lacks the charm, magnetism and unique 'personality' that is more characteristic of genuine WB Bone. (IMO, YMMV).Sharpnshinyknives wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:35 am That’s the nicest old Winterbottom Queen I have seen. Very nice Q, what a great addition to the collection.
Here's another Queen with a genuine Winterbottom Bone handle (the only one in my collection that is NOT a 51 Mini Trapper pattern!)
1983 Queen 6155 "Old Pattern LockBack"
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Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 7:10 pm
Thanks, gents. 
Actually, I lied about the non-Mini-T Winterbottom handled knives in my collection; I forgot about these two fixed blades:
Queen 85 Bird & Trout
Queen 75 large fixed blade; however, as you can see, the handle on this one is Delrin WB, not bone...quite a difference IMO.
Actually, I lied about the non-Mini-T Winterbottom handled knives in my collection; I forgot about these two fixed blades:
Queen 85 Bird & Trout
Queen 75 large fixed blade; however, as you can see, the handle on this one is Delrin WB, not bone...quite a difference IMO.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 8:30 pm
Big difference Q. Give me the bone handles any day. I don’t own a single delrin knife in my collection. Never cared for it much.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 8:59 pm
According to my research DuPont Chemical obtained the patent for Delrin (which is a DuPont trademark) in 1956 after several years of research, and it went into production in 1960. It’s been my understanding that the first use of Delrin for knife handles was a few years later.Sharpnshinyknives wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:12 amQ, check out that article posted on the first page of this thread. It says they transitioned over to Delrin by the late 60’s. It reads like they were having handles made in both for over 10 years, and started using Delrin in the 50’s.QTCut5 wrote:
What year did Queen begin using Delrin instead of bone for WB handles? Did they use both bone and Delrin concurrently?
~Q~
That’s very helpful article, I’m going to bookmark that one.
SSk
Some examples of Winterbottom from my pile.
Ken
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 1:29 am
There are some very nice looking bones on this thread. For a long time I didn't care for Winterbottom bone handles but now I've completely changed my mind.
I have this Queen EO with the "big Q" stamp & bone with colors that I don't recall seeing on another knife. The dye seems to be very stable & it makes me believe the handles were this color, or colors, originally. They look a little different with different lighting.
I have this Queen EO with the "big Q" stamp & bone with colors that I don't recall seeing on another knife. The dye seems to be very stable & it makes me believe the handles were this color, or colors, originally. They look a little different with different lighting.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 7:01 pm
The Queen parade..............
Carving fork;Two carving knives and a steak knife;a #40 folder,and three steak knives(sorry for the dark picture_
Carving fork;Two carving knives and a steak knife;a #40 folder,and three steak knives(sorry for the dark picture_
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 7:07 pm
QTCut5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:45 am I picked up this Queen #51T off eBay with what I believed was an unusual color of Winterbottom Bone; however, after I got it in hand and compared it to my other Winterbottom handled #51s, I now think it's actually Winterbottom Delrin that's been dyed brown. Can't say as I've ever seen this color of Winterbottom handle before.
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For comparison: Here it is between a "typical" WB Delrin #51 and a genuine WB Bone Dan Burke #51
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Queen introduced that color of "Winterbottom" Delrin in about 2002, when they launched their lines of traditional knives with D2 blade steel.
They called it "Forest Edge"...sort of a green/brown delrin.
They also had jigged red Delrin and smooth red delrin on some of the early D2 releases, in addition to the bone and wood handled knives.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 2:25 am
Thanks for that info, Steve...good to know. Although I still think it looks like "Swamp Mud", "Forest Edge" is a much more appealing name!knifeaholic wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:07 pm Queen introduced that color of "Winterbottom" Delrin in about 2002, when they launched their lines of traditional knives with D2 blade steel.
They called it "Forest Edge"...sort of a green/brown delrin.
They also had jigged red Delrin and smooth red delrin on some of the early D2 releases, in addition to the bone and wood handled knives.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 2:30 am
Here's another Queen 51 with genuine Winterbottom Bone that I picked up from Lois & Clark's AAPK store. Since it has no tang stamp, only a blade etch, I would date this one from 1961-71.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 am
Q, you have some really nice examples of Winterbottom bone, this last one is really nice.
The others posted look great also. Nice examples Ken of some other brands that used Winterbottom.
The others posted look great also. Nice examples Ken of some other brands that used Winterbottom.
Re: Why do they call it “Winterbottom “
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:56 am
Thank you, Mark.
This is my latest (and probably the last for awhile) Winterbottom Bone knife: 1958-60 Queen Steel #73. I found it a bit unusual because it's a barehead style with no pommel, unlike all my other fixed blade Queens.
This is my latest (and probably the last for awhile) Winterbottom Bone knife: 1958-60 Queen Steel #73. I found it a bit unusual because it's a barehead style with no pommel, unlike all my other fixed blade Queens.