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Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:39 pm
by Georgiy_Velchev
I want to show off part of my modest collection of mother-of-pearl knives.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:59 pm
by doglegg
Wowsers!

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:14 am
by wlf
Great collection of some beautiful knives Georgiy.
You may be just the guy to help me. Does anyone know the maker of this multi blade? the only stamp I see is an anchor with a backwards F on it's left side and a P or R on the opposite side of the anchor.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:05 pm
by Eustace
wlf wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:14 am Great collection of some beautiful knives Georgiy.
You may be just the guy to help me. Does anyone know the maker of this multi blade? the only stamp I see is an anchor with a backwards F on it's left side and a P or R on the opposite side of the anchor.
Answer from the other Georgi :lol:
Franz Frenzel, Nixdorf, Czech republic, 1870-1945.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:05 pm
by wlf
Thanks Georgi.😊

Well Franz was a master cutler. 12 fine implements in a 64 mm ( 2 1/2" ) lovely pearl handled frame.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:24 pm
by Georgiy_Velchev
wlf wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:14 am Great collection of some beautiful knives Georgiy.
You may be just the guy to help me. Does anyone know the maker of this multi blade? the only stamp I see is an anchor with a backwards F on it's left side and a P or R on the opposite side of the anchor.
Since another Georgiy has already answered for me, I can only share a link to a website where some information about the manufacturer is posted with photographs of the company’s buildings. If you are interested, then read the information.

https://www.noze-cz.cz/virtualni-museum ... zel-franz/

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:32 pm
by Georgiy_Velchev
wlf wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:05 pm Thanks Georgi.😊

Well Franz was a master cutler. 12 fine implements in a 64 mm ( 2 1/2" ) lovely pearl handled frame.
You have an excellent knife from FRANZ FRENZEL. Super multi-item knife! Considering how difficult it is to work with mother-of-pearl in order to prevent cracks during its assembly, the master had to be a true specialist in his craft.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:41 pm
by wlf
Thanks for the information Georgiy. I expect my knife was early in that company.

I have an assortment of early German knives , that are of excellent quality , mostly farmers jacks ( budding and pruning).

Fabyan Knife Co . Goins shows c 1889 , so it's old , and their trademark was "Well Known". I borrowed an internet photo as the stamp on my blade was not all there.

Arched Germany stamp on the pile side of the worn budding blade.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:03 pm
by wlf
Lenox Cutlery Co Goins c 1909-1914

4" split spring whittler. Old pick bone
Lenox Cutlery Co Germany (5).JPG

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:07 pm
by Georgiy_Velchev
wlf wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:41 pm Thanks for the information Georgiy. I expect my knife was early in that company.

I have an assortment of early German knives , that are of excellent quality , mostly farmers jacks ( budding and pruning).

Fabyan Knife Co . Goins shows c 1889 , so it's old , and their trademark was "Well Known". I borrowed an internet photo as the stamp on my blade was not all there.

Arched Germany stamp on the pile side of the worn budding blade.
God, how I love antique knives! These are artifacts for centuries!

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:25 pm
by wlf
If you show them one at a time Georgiy , you get more air time.

This one is old and exquisite. A Wester Bros out of their NY showcase. Marked with anchor,star, and arrow and Germany. I love the bone , even the sun bleached side.
The backspring is tapered , as did some early knives of this pattern.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:14 pm
by Georgiy_Velchev
wlf wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:25 pm If you show them one at a time Georgiy , you get more air time.

This one is old and exquisite. A Wester Bros out of their NY showcase. Marked with anchor,star, and arrow and Germany. I love the bone , even the sun bleached side.
The backspring is tapered , as did some early knives of this pattern.
I plan in the future to create a thread discussing my collection of knives and post them one by one along with the information I found about them. Maybe this will help someone in the future or it will just be interesting to watch and read. But I don’t think there will be many interested people. ::hmm::
In my collection I have a mother-of-pearl knife from this glorious company Wester Bros. ::tu::
Your knife is in excellent condition. However, maybe it’s worth protecting the linings?
I will attach an identification table for Wester Bros knives.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:49 pm
by wlf
Georgiy_Velchev wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:14 pm
wlf wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:25 pm If you show them one at a time Georgiy , you get more air time.

This one is old and exquisite. A Wester Bros out of their NY showcase. Marked with anchor,star, and arrow and Germany. I love the bone , even the sun bleached side.
The backspring is tapered , as did some early knives of this pattern.
I plan in the future to create a thread discussing my collection of knives and post them one by one along with the information I found about them. Maybe this will help someone in the future or it will just be interesting to watch and read. But I don’t think there will be many interested people. ::hmm::
In my collection I have a mother-of-pearl knife from this glorious company Wester Bros. ::tu::
Your knife is in excellent condition. However, maybe it’s worth protecting the linings?
I will attach an identification table for Wester Bros knives.
This knife was in a showcase in NY city many, many years before I got the opportunity to buy it ,and it was there the sun bleached it, long before I bought it .

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:56 pm
by wlf
Thanks for the Wester history. I would say this example is early 1900.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:07 am
by Georgiy_Velchev
wlf wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:49 pm
Georgiy_Velchev wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:14 pm
wlf wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:25 pm If you show them one at a time Georgiy , you get more air time.

This one is old and exquisite. A Wester Bros out of their NY showcase. Marked with anchor,star, and arrow and Germany. I love the bone , even the sun bleached side.
The backspring is tapered , as did some early knives of this pattern.
I plan in the future to create a thread discussing my collection of knives and post them one by one along with the information I found about them. Maybe this will help someone in the future or it will just be interesting to watch and read. But I don’t think there will be many interested people. ::hmm::
In my collection I have a mother-of-pearl knife from this glorious company Wester Bros. ::tu::
Your knife is in excellent condition. However, maybe it’s worth protecting the linings?
I will attach an identification table for Wester Bros knives.
This knife was in a showcase in NY city many, many years before I got the opportunity to buy it ,and it was there the sun bleached it, long before I bought it .
I got you. In general, there are methods to give the bone the desired color. There is a way to saturate the surface of the bone with oil or some other available means. I have an old Keen Kutter and its scales are tarnished. I soaked them in oil and they regained their former richness.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:11 am
by Georgiy_Velchev
wlf wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:56 pm Thanks for the Wester history. I would say this example is early 1900.
Perhaps you are right and your knife is from the early 19th century. And here is my Wester Bros pearl knife. Germany.

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:53 pm
by wlf
Beautiful. Is it a whittler ?
What time frame do you put that one?
Length?

Re: Early German Knives

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:13 pm
by Georgiy_Velchev
wlf wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:53 pm Beautiful. Is it a whittler ?
What time frame do you put that one?
Length?
Honestly, it's difficult to date this knife.
The blades are made of carbon, and in the 20-30s of the 19th century, manufacturers in Solingen began to switch to stainless steel. The marks Never-Rusto, Rostfrei and Stainless steel appeared. By the 1930s and 1940s, most manufacturers had switched or were beginning to switch to stainless steel. Victorinox began using INOX stainless steel on its blades in 1923.
I could be wrong, if there are knowledgeable people, I will be glad to receive the correct information.