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Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:04 pm
by coffeecup
I probably don't need to say this but. . . I'm overly cautious at times.

If you're going to use potassium permanganate (I do too), stick with dissolving it in WATER. No vacuum pumps, no oils, no organic solvents or alcohols (ethyl, methyl, glycerol, etc). In addition to being an excellent stain for bone/antler/etc, potassium permangante is a strong oxidizer. Combustion is oxidation.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:52 pm
by Miller Bro's
coffeecup wrote:If you're going to use potassium permanganate (I do too), stick with dissolving it in WATER.
The only thing I ever used to dissolve it ::tu::

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:09 pm
by rexstubbins
I read about the PP and have seen the results. I wanted to try something different. Also. Ever since I've been a wee lad I've always done things the hard way. Of course I never knew I was doing it the hard way until after I was done.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:33 pm
by coffeecup
rexstubbins wrote:Ever since I've been a wee lad I've always done things the hard way. Of course I never knew I was doing it the hard way until after I was done.
:lol:

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:27 pm
by rexstubbins
My luck continues. I wake up this morning and this is what I see.

Luckily it is still holding vacuum and the scales are getting some color. I'm gonna let em soak for another day or until my garage implodes.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:01 pm
by rexstubbins
It amazes me that there is such a difference in density between these 2 scales. I got them from the same source. I think these are going to have to soak for a few more days.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:07 pm
by Miller Bro's
The one on the right hand side is starting to look good ::tu::

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:56 pm
by coffeecup
rexstubbins wrote:It amazes me that there is such a difference in density between these 2 scales. I got them from the same source. I think these are going to have to soak for a few more days.
Fort he sake of reference, which was the one that absorbed the most oil?

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:11 am
by Beechtree
Rex, you have done a fantastic job on the knife, both the work and its documentation. Great job.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:06 am
by rexstubbins
coffeecup wrote:
rexstubbins wrote:It amazes me that there is such a difference in density between these 2 scales. I got them from the same source. I think these are going to have to soak for a few more days.
Fort he sake of reference, which was the one that absorbed the most oil?

The darker one is the one that absorbed the most oil.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:13 am
by rexstubbins
Well again my luck runneth over. The vacuum chamber finally decided to crack enough to where vacuum wasn't holding anymore. You can see my attempt at non-objective art. The lids to the chamber has become increasingly simplistic the more I make.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:20 am
by Shearer
Try this to make a vacuum chamber.I made one the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DfZXM2B51Q

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:24 am
by rexstubbins
Shearer wrote:Try this to make a vacuum chamber.I made one the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DfZXM2B51Q
Yeah. I saw that one.

Of course that would require me to move on to plan E. Right now I'm on Plan D.2. If D.2. fails again with more art and D.3. (Star shaped lid) fails, I'll move on to plan E.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:47 am
by Miller Bro's
rexstubbins wrote:If D.2. fails again with more art and D.3. (Star shaped lid) fails, I'll move on to plan E.
Try a sch 40 PVC round end cap, I doubt you will crack that. Only thing is it won`t be clear so you can see in.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:28 pm
by rexstubbins
Miller Bro`s wrote:
rexstubbins wrote:If D.2. fails again with more art and D.3. (Star shaped lid) fails, I'll move on to plan E.
Try a sch 40 PVC round end cap, I doubt you will crack that. Only thing is it won`t be clear so you can see in.
Hopefully I won't have to resort to that. LOOK we're almost there. This is starting to look like a salesman's sample. 1 light scale & 1 dark.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:17 pm
by rexstubbins
OK. I am finally at the point where I am done soaking the scales in the golden oak stain. I forgot to mention that I had added some vinegar into the stain yesterday. I took them out and padded them dry with a paper towel and then put a streak of the mahogany oil dye down the center of each scale (pic 2.)

Picture 3 is after they have dried. I like the outcome. Kind of a 2 tone. Time to start re-assembly.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:50 pm
by glennbad
Wow, those sure came out great!

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:57 pm
by ol' smoke
Lookin' Mighty Fine!!

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:32 pm
by rexstubbins
Made some progress. Still not completely done. Need to polish the bolsters a bit more. All in all I'm happy with the results.

In retrospect:

* I would use leather stain & dye again. I like the outcome.
* I would not use olive oil to pre-soak them in. I think this somewhat hindered the stain from soaking in. When I added vinegar to the stain it looked like it leeched out the oil and the stain soaked in faster.
* I might try pre-soaking in vinegar or isopropal alcohol the next time.
* I now have a vacuum chamber. Might use it to impress the grandkids by placing marshmallows in it.
* All in all I did this to experiment and I had fun doing it. Almost time for the next knife.

Progress pics below...

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:51 pm
by orvet
looks good! ::tu::

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:54 pm
by PigSticker
W0W! you nailed it--knife looks great.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:04 am
by wlf
I like your sense of humor Rex and the time you took to show us all these steps.It looks great.

I especially liked the marshmallow remark.

"Of course I never knew I was doing it the hard way until after I was done.",sounds like me. :) ::tu::

You've became a star in one post.

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:55 pm
by glennbad
Wow! It looks great, just great!

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:44 am
by Miller Bro's
The end result is excellent!

What`s next?? :lol:

Re: Next Up - W. H. Morley & Sons camp knife?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:44 pm
by rexstubbins
Thank you for all the kind words.

As for my next one I think it'll be this one:

I don't think I'll use wood but I'll re-do it in bone. Not a big fan of wood handled knives. It was nice of Kurt to scribe his name on the handle.
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