All About Pocket Knives

Mason:

And your catalogue-confirmed relationship between the 9306 Challenge and the Florida Hardware Co. knife validates peanut740's claim of being able, with observation and experience, to "figure it out".

Great NYK Mike. Crazy how it seems Challenge and NYK used similar shields , must of been shield of choice for EJ's.

Thanks Lyle. I hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out. Very similar.

Here is a Terrier English Jack, that I had posted a few years ago on the Terrier thread.
(At least it is a photo, taken by a visiting family member, and not another flat-bed scan.)

5-inch closed; single clip blade; worm groove brown bone handle covers; steel bolsters; brass liners; elongated bolster. Blade must have been shortened. It appears Robeson used the same handle die and bolster length for the Daddy Barlow; but, given the up-graded finishing (bone, shield, endcap) I would classify this an English Jack.

Lovely.

Very nice

Wow! This thread is on fire... lot's of beautiful English jacks guy's.

Recent pickup an Early Utica cutlery English jack with clip main blade. Not sure if this is accurate info on Utica tang stamps. I was hard pressed to find info. From what I have read… Utica was started in 1910. The curved Utica tang stamp was used from 1910 up to WWII. The UTK WARRANTED stamp is generally considered to be one of the earliest, if not THE earliest stamps Utica used. Some sources suggested the WARRANTED stamp was in the circa 1910-1915 range.

That's a beautiful knife Fishin'.

Thank you Lyle.

Very nice Utica fishin

QUOTE: "...Nice Griffon knife, stumpstalker. I'd be happy to look into that model for you but would need a handle length and a sharper picture." -- Mason

Mason:
Here are two camera photos, not a scan this time, of the 4-1/2-inch knife, which might be sharp enough for you to hazard a guess as to whether the handle covers were intended by the factory to have smooth, and not sharp-cut jigging, or if the smoother look is from pocket wear.

I'm not mention the Mason but that's pocket wear

thanks, wlf.

Good looking Jack stumpstalker

This is an old J.A. Henckels jack. The blade is stamped J.A.Henckels with the Twins logo. Not marked Germany or Solingen. It's 4 3/4" closed.

That's a great looking knife, Barry. It is much thinner than I would have thought. I bet it would be comfy in the pocket.

I like that J. A. Henckels.

Interesting that it has three large rivets, in addition to pins, on the mark side. It reminds me, but with higher finish, of a single-bladed, bareheaded, 4 1/4-inch jack, marked only "SOLINGEN" (no brand) that has appeared on dealer's tables State-side, as purportedly an imported German military surplus item.

Below I post a photo that member “paulsvintage” long ago added to the Old and Obscure Brands thread. It shows a Griffon English Jack, handled in the same-appearing bone as the Griffon English Jack I recently posted (shown here again).

Both are Griffons, with differing shields and bolsters. That brown/yellow mustard looking bone seems unusual to me. Has it appeared on knives of other marks?

fishin1635 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:18 pm Recent pickup an Early Utica cutlery English jack with clip main blade. Not sure if this is accurate info on Utica tang stamps. I was hard pressed to find info. From what I have read… Utica was started in 1910. The curved Utica tang stamp was used from 1910 up to WWII. The UTK WARRANTED stamp is generally considered to be one of the earliest, if not THE earliest stamps Utica used. Some sources suggested the WARRANTED stamp was in the circa 1910-1915 range.

Nice!

1fartsmella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:12 am This is an old J.A. Henckels jack. The blade is stamped J.A.Henckels with the Twins logo. Not marked Germany or Solingen. It's 4 3/4" closed.

Very sweet woodgrain, and I like the three pins. Great spear too. Beauty of a knife.

stumpstalker wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:56 am I like that J. A. Henckels.

Interesting that it has three large rivets, in addition to pins, on the mark side. It reminds me, but with higher finish, of a single-bladed, bareheaded, 4 1/4-inch jack, marked only "SOLINGEN" (no brand) that has appeared on dealer's tables State-side, as purportedly an imported German military surplus item.

Below I post a photo that member “paulsvintage” long ago added to the Old and Obscure Brands thread. It shows a Griffon English Jack, handled in the same-appearing bone as the Griffon English Jack I recently posted (shown here again).

Both are Griffons, with differing shields and bolsters. That brown/yellow mustard looking bone seems unusual to me. Has it appeared on knives of other marks?

Great bunch of bones you have there, beautiful knives. This is a whole page of goodies.

fishin1635 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:18 pm Recent pickup an Early Utica cutlery English jack with clip main blade. Not sure if this is accurate info on Utica tang stamps. I was hard pressed to find info. From what I have read… Utica was started in 1910. The curved Utica tang stamp was used from 1910 up to WWII. The UTK WARRANTED stamp is generally considered to be one of the earliest, if not THE earliest stamps Utica used. Some sources suggested the WARRANTED stamp was in the circa 1910-1915 range.

That's a sweetie, love the blonde bones and those bolsters. Beautiful.

Here is a scan of the 4 1/4-inch putative German military knife I was speaking of in my post above, which Barry’s J. A. Henckels pictured above reminds me of. The two share a few characteristics, but the knife I have I would not even call an English Jack, as it lacks the finish the pattern requires, and which Barry’s has.

I had referred to this knife as “bareheaded”, but having no bolster at either end, I believe classifies it as a large “shadow” jack.

Old Bill Shockley averred that these knives, for all their prosaic aspect, had excellent steel, implying that he knew of how they performed when used. This one has never been used, sharpened, or carried, and is the second one I have obtained in that condition.

That these were from released surplus military stock, for me, has credibility.

Comments (or, rather critiques) on my assumptions are welcome.

fishin 1635

That is a fine example of the quality and level of finish that Utica could and long ago did produce in its pocketknife line.

What is its length?

I've been admiring these English Jacks and realized I had one in my Queen drawer! Treefarmer

treefarmer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:07 pm I've been admiring these English Jacks and realized I had one in my Queen drawer!001.JPG003.JPG
Treefarmer

Nice one Tree.