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Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 12:11 am
All round awesome pickups fellers
. But that bulldog just lights me fires, oh the drool!
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I swore off the China made Marbles but this one has me rethinking that decision. I haven’t seen a modern Marbles w/ that nice of stag, that one is exceptional. Very nice.SharpMarble wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 5:35 pm These came in today. Marble's equal end Cattleman's knife. My favorite pattern (along with sleeveboards). Only wish would be for a spear point main blade. Scratched that itch with a sleeveboard whittler.
Also threw the Imperial Schrade into my cart For $5.25!
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.......I've had one of these for years, it was in my dad's tacklebox, it's one of my treasures!!!.......
Wow Floyd! That is a good one. I like mine as well. Being a history buff and a navy man it really makes me happy to carry mine. Yours is a beauty! Enjoy!
Floyd my grandpa on my mom's side fought at the battle of the bulge. As a kid he just stared off into space and smoked his cigarettes. He never said much to me and died when I was twelve. My neighbor Barney who is 94 now would tell me stories. We sit on his front porch and have a chew. He is now in a nursing home. I visit when I can. A darn fine man. He gifted me a ten dot 1970 case 61048 he used while fishing. It is one of my prized possessions.doglegg wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:28 am Tommy, this one doesn't have the memories yours does. Every time I tell myself I don't need another one I seem to buy another one. Thanks.![]()
WW I admired yours. As a kid I loved the Army Navy stores (actually still do) and to get some of the old soldiers talking. What a pleasure. Too many of those old fellows are gone now. The old knives etc are still special to me. Thanks.![]()
Just finally seeing this one....Gone2Three wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:13 pm Well, I thought I had purchased a Winchester as it was listed, pictures were a little blurry and I really don't know my knives very well to identify by sight. After cleaning up it's a Western knife... anyone here tell me what year I have here?...stamp on back 691. Is this better or worse than a Winchester?
Thanks for looking
I feel EXACTLY the same way dogdoglegg wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:28 am Tommy, this one doesn't have the memories yours does. Every time I tell myself I don't need another one I seem to buy another one. Thanks.![]()
WW I admired yours. As a kid I loved the Army Navy stores (actually still do) and to get some of the old soldiers talking. What a pleasure. Too many of those old fellows are gone now. The old knives etc are still special to me. Thanks.![]()
Kevin, how's the Gunny getting along these days? Where is he currently stationed?woodwalker wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:21 amWow Floyd! That is a good one. I like mine as well. Being a history buff and a navy man it really makes me happy to carry mine. Yours is a beauty! Enjoy!![]()
I see you just snuck in before me ZZ.zzyzzogeton wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:54 amJust finally seeing this one....Gone2Three wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:13 pm Well, I thought I had purchased a Winchester as it was listed, pictures were a little blurry and I really don't know my knives very well to identify by sight. After cleaning up it's a Western knife... anyone here tell me what year I have here?...stamp on back 691. Is this better or worse than a Winchester?
Thanks for looking
When was it made? Good question. With a model number on it, that means it was made after 1954ish. Now, it gets a little trickier.
The handle material may be the key. If it is bone, I'd say 1954 to 1960. Now to my reasoning --
What is the handle material? In the pics, it looks like bone stag, i.e., bone jigged to look like stag.
If it is bone, then, generally, it would be between 1954 and 1960. That's only a gut guess based on appearance of the handle material and shield....... The shields of the 1954 to 1959 era 691s are unknown.
If it is Western's "unbreakable bone stag", that would be Delrin formed to look like stag or jigged bone. That would be 1961 or later. 95% of all Western bone and stag (which would have been a 591) was replaced using Delrin as of 1961.
The 1st kicker is that in the 1968 catalog, the 13 1095 folding knives are specified as having "stag" handles and the section of stainless steel folders is headed with a picture of a folder and the handles are specified as having "unbreakable bone stag", but then the individual knife descriptions just say "stag handles" on each SS knife. So there is some question on when stag went into disuse on folders. It's possible that Western had so much stag material on hand that they kept using pieces of it on small folders.
The 2nd kicker is the stamp itself - WESTERN over USA.
I know what the stamp list in TKMWWW shows that this stamp is from 1961 on (see above re: the use of Delrin). I tend to disagree with that generalization. Why? Because TKMWWWW NEVER addresses model numbers in there stamps
I have not studied Western folders the way I have fixed blades. That being said, in looking at various Western folding knives over time, the stamps prior to WW2 match about 85% on folders and fixed blade. The differences being stamps on folders that were never on fixed blades. Western made no known folders DURING WW2 so no matches/differences there.
Post-WW2 stamps seem to match up on both fixed and folders in the post-WW2 era up to 1954 when model numbers were added.
I have seen folders with stamps that match 1954 - 1967 fixed blade stamps - WESTERN over BOULDER COLO on the mark side with a model # on the pile side with "plastic stag" handles. This would be after 1961.
The 3rd kicker is the shield.
That oval shield first appears on the 901 in 1968. It does not appear on a 691 ever. The predominate shield of the 1960 catalog knives was what I call a "badge" and the 691 has it in that catalog.
The 1968 and 1978 catalogs show the 691 with what I call a "skinny badge with a hat" shield. The shield is badge shaped but kinda stretched and has a bump on top.
For me, a WESTERN over USA with a model number on the pile side should fall into the date range of 1972 to 1976.
So that's along winded diatribe to say that it's somewhere between 1954 and ???? Bone ==>> before 1960. Delrin ==>> after 1961. Real stag ==>> who knows??? By the stamp alone? 1972 to 1976. Pick one.![]()
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I've been very happy with these other Marbles as well (MR295, MR275, MR276.Sharpnshinyknives wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:20 amI swore off the China made Marbles but this one has me rethinking that decision. I haven’t seen a modern Marbles w/ that nice of stag, that one is exceptional. Very nice.SharpMarble wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 5:35 pm These came in today. Marble's equal end Cattleman's knife. My favorite pattern (along with sleeveboards). Only wish would be for a spear point main blade. Scratched that itch with a sleeveboard whittler.
Also threw the Imperial Schrade into my cart For $5.25!
equalendcattle.jpegschrade.jpeg
Great picks on the previous page everybody!
He is doing good Jerry. Still at Camp Legume. Got his twenty in and signed up for another hitch. He loves being a Marine and at 38 still in great shape. I challenged him to a push up contest when I visited him last time. Grave mistake on my part. He still runs 10 12 miles a day. He is a great son in law, husband and father. Couldn't be more proud. He has shown me around Pendleton and Legume. I think I spell Legume wrong. Have a good day Jerry!jerryd6818 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:11 amKevin, how's the Gunny getting along these days? Where is he currently stationed?woodwalker wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:21 amWow Floyd! That is a good one. I like mine as well. Being a history buff and a navy man it really makes me happy to carry mine. Yours is a beauty! Enjoy!![]()
Maybe he'll catch a slot and make 1st Sgt soon. It's a tough one to spell. It's Lejeune, proper pronunciation is Luh-jurn although most Marines have bastardized that into Le-june.woodwalker wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 12:38 pmHe is doing good Jerry. Still at Camp Legume. Got his twenty in and signed up for another hitch. He loves being a Marine and at 38 still in great shape. I challenged him to a push up contest when I visited him last time. Grave mistake on my part. He still runs 10 12 miles a day. He is a great son in law, husband and father. Couldn't be more proud. He has shown me around Pendleton and Legume. I think I spell Legume wrong. Have a good day Jerry!jerryd6818 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:11 amKevin, how's the Gunny getting along these days? Where is he currently stationed?woodwalker wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:21 am
Wow Floyd! That is a good one. I like mine as well. Being a history buff and a navy man it really makes me happy to carry mine. Yours is a beauty! Enjoy!![]()
Wow....zzyzzogeton wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:54 amJust finally seeing this one....Gone2Three wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:13 pm Well, I thought I had purchased a Winchester as it was listed, pictures were a little blurry and I really don't know my knives very well to identify by sight. After cleaning up it's a Western knife... anyone here tell me what year I have here?...stamp on back 691. Is this better or worse than a Winchester?
Thanks for looking
When was it made? Good question. With a model number on it, that means it was made after 1954ish. Now, it gets a little trickier.
The handle material may be the key. If it is bone, I'd say 1954 to 1960. Now to my reasoning --
What is the handle material? In the pics, it looks like bone stag, i.e., bone jigged to look like stag.
If it is bone, then, generally, it would be between 1954 and 1960. That's only a gut guess based on appearance of the handle material and shield....... The shields of the 1954 to 1959 era 691s are unknown.
If it is Western's "unbreakable bone stag", that would be Delrin formed to look like stag or jigged bone. That would be 1961 or later. 95% of all Western bone and stag (which would have been a 591) was replaced using Delrin as of 1961.
The 1st kicker is that in the 1968 catalog, the 13 1095 folding knives are specified as having "stag" handles and the section of stainless steel folders is headed with a picture of a folder and the handles are specified as having "unbreakable bone stag", but then the individual knife descriptions just say "stag handles" on each SS knife. So there is some question on when stag went into disuse on folders. It's possible that Western had so much stag material on hand that they kept using pieces of it on small folders.
The 2nd kicker is the stamp itself - WESTERN over USA.
I know what the stamp list in TKMWWW shows that this stamp is from 1961 on (see above re: the use of Delrin). I tend to disagree with that generalization. Why? Because TKMWWWW NEVER addresses model numbers in there stamps
I have not studied Western folders the way I have fixed blades. That being said, in looking at various Western folding knives over time, the stamps prior to WW2 match about 85% on folders and fixed blade. The differences being stamps on folders that were never on fixed blades. Western made no known folders DURING WW2 so no matches/differences there.
Post-WW2 stamps seem to match up on both fixed and folders in the post-WW2 era up to 1954 when model numbers were added.
I have seen folders with stamps that match 1954 - 1967 fixed blade stamps - WESTERN over BOULDER COLO on the mark side with a model # on the pile side with "plastic stag" handles. This would be after 1961.
The 3rd kicker is the shield.
That oval shield first appears on the 901 in 1968. It does not appear on a 691 ever. The predominate shield of the 1960 catalog knives was what I call a "badge" and the 691 has it in that catalog.
The 1968 and 1978 catalogs show the 691 with what I call a "skinny badge with a hat" shield. The shield is badge shaped but kinda stretched and has a bump on top.
For me, a WESTERN over USA with a model number on the pile side should fall into the date range of 1972 to 1976.
So that's along winded diatribe to say that it's somewhere between 1954 and ???? Bone ==>> before 1960. Delrin ==>> after 1961. Real stag ==>> who knows??? By the stamp alone? 1972 to 1976. Pick one.![]()
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