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treefarmer wrote:Florida has recently allowed noise suppressors to be utilized while hunting. Apparently no permits or paper work is needed. Our Governor has been very instrumental in passing some great common sense legislation that is very pro 2nd Amendment! (I couldn't get the pdf file to open to find the date when it became law. )
Treefarmer

On a shotgun forum I'm on there are some folks from Great Britian. They have always been able to use suppressors hunting. They can't believe that here in America we have to go through all the red tape to get a suppressor when getting the gun in the first place is so easy. They're right, it don't make much sense.

They have some real neat shotguns suppresors that they use when hunting dove and such in heavier populated areas.

treefarmer wrote:Florida has recently allowed noise suppressors to be utilized while hunting. Apparently no permits or paper work is needed. Our Governor has been very instrumental in passing some great common sense legislation that is very pro 2nd Amendment! (I couldn't get the pdf file to open to find the date when it became law. )
Treefarmer

pretty sure you will still need the Federal stamp from atf.

But guns and gun accessories should NOT be federal. There was no one at the Supreme Court back when to argue against there side!

I could never see the need for a silencer on a gun unless used by military or police.
When hunting, I would hope people would be far enough away from homes that the sound would'nt matter. Indoor shooting, hearing protection is required.
I see nothing wrong with owning a silencer if you can legally own one.
I've seen some impressive guns with silencers being used.

Camillus

ken98k wrote:

treefarmer wrote:Florida has recently allowed noise suppressors to be utilized while hunting. Apparently no permits or paper work is needed. Our Governor has been very instrumental in passing some great common sense legislation that is very pro 2nd Amendment! (I couldn't get the pdf file to open to find the date when it became law. )
Treefarmer

pretty sure you will still need the Federal stamp from atf.

Hey Ken,
I believe what TF was saying "recently allowed noise suppressors to be utilized while hunting. Apparently no permits or paper work is needed." is that he is not referring to obtaining one, just that if you have one it can be used to hunt without any Fish and Game approval, of course assuming prey is in season and you have a license. Sorry to puts word in your mouth TF, especially if I am incorrect. Just what I thought when I read it. As I mentioned when I brought up the subject, hunters here in NV use them with the primary purpose of being able to hear prey and not lose the eardrums. Mainly used on coyotes.

Colonel26 wrote: On a shotgun forum I'm on there are some folks from Great Britain. They have always been able to use suppressors hunting. They can't believe that here in America we have to go through all the red tape to get a suppressor when getting the gun in the first place is so easy. They're right, it don't make much sense.
They have some real neat shotguns suppressors that they use when hunting dove and such in heavier populated areas.

Wade, I have spent 90 days in England in the last 2 years. Not in London but out in the countryside. I shared many pints with locals and co workers during that time talking all aspects of culture, hobbies and such. Great friendly people but obviously a different culture in many aspects including guns. Think about the fact that the cops have access to guns dependent on what the level of threat is but they literally bust down doors on fugitives hideouts and they do have weapons besides guns but it is pretty much hand to hand. Ever here of that in the US? As I understand it, not many people are gun owners there, some by choice and some by restrictions. I have never read the laws but my understanding that normal citizens there go through all sorts of red tape just to buy a handgun and it has to be stored at a gun club or range. Could be wrong, just what I heard.
My main point is that they have access to suppressors more easily (based on what you said only as I have not researched that either) due to the fact that hearing gunshots in that country are less common and accepted there as it is in the US. We all shared cell pics while I was there and the concept of owning, frequently carrying and overall general use of firearms from a person was kind of foreign and strange to them. These people were not liberal wimps either. Just not what they are accustomed to.

My understanding is that most is the process in buying a suppressors in the US is finding a level 3 dealer, excessive wait time as with all things where Federal approval is required and CASH! If you can qualify to buy a gun, you can get one. CASH primarily being the main reason in my opinion, most owners that qualify and would like one, do not ever get one. They are not cheap for sure.

It is not the same as me going to the hardware store and buying a gun, leaving with said gun in whatever amount of time it takes for the guy on the phone for ATF approval and carrying out as much ammo and accessories I have the money for. Usually 30 minutes or less. That would include a .50 cal Barrett if one was on the shelf or I pre-ordered it. Pretty sure they can’t do that at all in Great Britain, wait time, permits or not.

Interestingly enough, I have never heard of a surpressor for a shotgun. Not doubting the fact and I am sure they are cool. Just never had an issue with the report when firing my 12 gauge at birds as far as hurting my ears nor did any neighbooring far away homes ever complain (sound travel pretty far based on terrian where I live). Not trying to confrontational, just pointing the differences in culture based on my current knowledge.

Cam, it depends on your needs. This is not about masking noise as much as protecting your hearing for my purpose of aquiring a few. If I am in the desert way out with the dogs, I prefer to be able to hear a pack of coyotes or wild dogs or whatever else is required before it gets ugly and not lose what is left of my hearing in the process of dealing with it. If I am going to the range I wear earplugs and muffs.

Regards, Jerry

Here you go, Jerry...

Silencer for shotgun

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFFAcHQE8xg[/youtube]

I'm looking at a Sig 230. Anybody got one? Comments?

Randy,
I have one in 45 cal and like all the Sigs I have or have had, it is a fine weapon. It is a little large for concealed carry but if we go open carry here, I will carry it on occasion.
EDIT: Oops, the 45 is a 220. I had a model 230, stainless, .380 and liked it very much. My son rasseled it away from me as he needed a home defense weapon.

Ray

Ray, I'd like for open carry to come about. But that two faced Dan Patrick got in there on gun rights and is now running full blast away from the issue.
I don't have a decent carry piece anyhow. Just a double action .22 revolver.
And most places I go would go ballistic if I had a gun on me.

But I would conceal it in my truck anyhow. What they don't know can't hurt me.....

RandyFew wrote:I'm looking at a Sig 230. Anybody got one? Comments?

Paladin wrote:Randy,
I have one in 45 cal and like all the Sigs I have or have had, it is a fine weapon. It is a little large for concealed carry but if we go open carry here, I will carry it on occasion.
EDIT: Oops, the 45 is a 220. I had a model 230, stainless, .380 and liked it very much. My son rasseled it away from me as he needed a home defense weapon.

Ray

Huge SIG fan. Best production semi auto made, in my opinion. That said, for either concealed or not, if I am only limited to 7 rounds I would prefer a larger caliber personally. That said looks like a fine gun and I read up a bit after your post and it appears that the reviews seem to be favorable for that model. I can't recall where I read it, possibly here on AAPK, but have not heard best things about the SIG 290. Not personally a fan of a DAO slide gun, SIG or not.

Jerry, I'm just passing along what some of my friends and from England on shotgunworld.com have told the rest of us. You are right about handguns over there is is very difficult to obtain permission to have one. Shotguns are not as difficult from what they tell me.

As to their using suppresors on their shot guns, according to them some of the land owners prefer that they use them for the sake of neighbors not hearing all the gunfire and, according to THEM, are no where near as hard to obtain as here if you already have a firearms lic. The fellow who passed that tidbit along iirc was/is a police officer in jolly old England and is more into higher end single shots.

The information about obtaining long guns came from a retired engineer who lives in Wales and has a very nice collection of double guns, and rifles.

Here are a couple of articles that came up with a simple Google search. Seems there is a lot of information out there on the subject. In England and most of Europe from what I understand suppresors are classified as hearing protection.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/0 ... essor-law/

http://www.dailypaul.com/278036/gq-uk-d ... -pmags-too

Colonel26 wrote:Jerry, I'm just passing along what some of my friends and from England on shotgunworld.com have told the rest of us. You are right about handguns over there is is very difficult to obtain permission to have one. Shotguns are not as difficult from what they tell me.

As to their using suppresors on their shot guns, according to them some of the land owners prefer that they use them for the sake of neighbors not hearing all the gunfire and, according to THEM, are no where near as hard to obtain as here if you already have a firearms lic. The fellow who passed that tidbit along iirc was/is a police officer in jolly old England and is more into higher end single shots.

The information about obtaining long guns came from a retired engineer who lives in Wales and has a very nice collection of double guns, and rifles.

Here are a couple of articles that came up with a simple Google search. Seems there is a lot of information out there on the subject. In England and most of Europe from what I understand suppresors are classified as hearing protection.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/0 ... essor-law/

http://www.dailypaul.com/278036/gq-uk-d ... -pmags-too

Yes, its all good Wade. Although it probably sounded confrontational, it was not my intent. I was trying to point out the cultural differences between the states and UK regarding surpressors, handguns and firearms in general. I happened to agree that they should be easier to obtain here. My primary purpose for wanting one is hearing protection as I said. I prefer not to ask the bad guy in my house to stand by for a moment while I insert earplugs. The report from firing a 9mm, .40 or .45 with earplugs personally hurts the hell out of my ears.
They are probably so much red tape due to the media and movies that pound home the only use is by a bad guy trying to hide his gunshot or other illegal action.

it's all good Jerry, no confrontation here. Just citing my information.

The gun laws of the various countries are interesting. In some ways our laws are more restrictive that other countries with no 2a not protections. Yes here handgun ownership is easier than most other places. But in other countries long gun purchases are somewhat easier.

I know in Canada a friend of mine BC who is an Ithaca collector too often wonders at our endless background checks. Up there when you are of legal age, you take your firearms lic test, and you're good to go. He routinely has guns shipped right to his front door. He tells us that you just call up the gun store, order the gun, provide you lic information, and they ship it to you.

Of course, they can't do some things we can here. AR ownership is much harder as is handgun ownership. It's an interesting topic.

Not sure how many of you have had the opportunity to see unistalled bulletproof glass before. Some thick stuff. See the pics below. From an install at a site I am working at. Seems they decided to beef up security after 5 guys with guns and a blowtorch tied up the guard and came into the room where I always work and held all at gunpoint while they torched the ATM in another part of the facility. I just happened to be off that night.

I had the opportunity to test some different calibers on a piece about 25 years ago. A buddy was refurbishing a court house which included new court room doors. The doors has a 12" square peep bulletproof window in the door. It was close to 3" thick with a thin layer of some sort of plastic on each side. My buddy kept some and gave me one. Two friends and I go out shooting and I bring it along.
I set it down range about 40 yards and tilt it at about a 45 or so degree angle so that any possible deflections will go upwards and away from us. I hit that glass with various rounds from .308 down to .22. The .308 didn't even go clear thru but almost. Each caliber penetrating less and less dependent how many grains. The .22 rounds barely penetrated. Interesting stuff.

My buddies suggested that I use the 12 guage on it. I told them they were out of their mind as the .22 barely penetrated. The only shells we had were like number 4 duck shot or something, no buckshot.

My suggestions to wear safety glasses and not shoot the glass with a 12 gauge went unheeded. Six feet away. Full pellet load came right back at them. Very close to taking an eye out and some partially embedded pellets to the face and neck to remove. Not too bright. True story.

Very cool!

...just got word that my original henry H011 will be here tomorrow!!!!...I'm goin' to be happier than a pig in slop!!!!............. ..............

This is just simply ridiculous.

Even the ACLU should be complaining about this.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/02/17/n ... ck-pistol/

Charlie Noyes

I read that on Fox news tonight Charlie.Hard to believe how senseless some are.

Here is a video on scope manufacturer comparisons. This guy has about 90 or more videos on scopes and long range shooting. They are 20 to 40 minutes long but he does detail on the particular subject at hand. I find it real interesting myself.

Jerry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX3hLSI59ko

carrmillus wrote:...just got word that my original henry H011 will be here tomorrow!!!!...I'm goin' to be happier than a pig in slop!!!!............. ..............

..got the gun yesterday!!!the dealer who ordered it has a huge gunstore here in tupelo, and they waited until I got there to open the box, and no one had seen one in person yet, and when I opened it, everyone in the store said it was the best-looking gun they had ever seen!!!..... .............now, I can't wait for some decent weather to go shoot it!!!.......actually found some .44-40 ammo for it, so I'm really anxious to shoot it!!!!!............. .....................

Congrats on your new gun Carrmillus, can't wai see some pictures of it!
Enjoy that baby.....

Camillus

Camillus wrote:Congrats on your new gun Carrmillus, can't wai see some pictures of it!
Enjoy that baby.....

Camillus

.....the fit and finish on this thing is unreal, and the action is really smooth!!!, but the way the weather is right now, it's going to be awhile before I get to shoot it!!!............ ..............

Carrmillus, I really love my Henry Frontier .22 it's a really smooth beautifully built rifle!! ftd

........I have the standard round barrel lever action .22 and the "john wayne" big lever .22 carbine and they are both a joy to shoot!!....great guns!!!............. .........and they are made in the USA!!!.............. ......................