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Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:04 am
by Miller Bro's
I seen both brass and copper used on the old knives, as far as I know it was to keep the bail from corroding. There was a lanyard attached and that would hold moisture especially on the sea with salt water it would rust fast if it was steel.

There is a heavy patina on this knife and I don't buff my old knives so I did not see the military marks but they might be there, pretty sure this one was made for the Canadian military ::nod::

Thanks for looking ::tu::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:59 am
by 1967redrider
Thanks for the info. ::handshake::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:13 pm
by 1967redrider
Posting these two (Jess Crouch and Chris Wolf) because of their ties to Schatt & Morgan. I believe they were last made in 1915 for Sears.

There are lots of really gorgeous old knives in this thread, I'm blown away when I scroll through them.
::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:28 pm
by stockman
Nice old knife 3 1/2” closed hope I haven’t posted this. Harold

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:28 am
by Miller Bro's
::tu::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:01 am
by FRJ
Here's a sweet old Congress Jack. 3 7/8" closed.
Thanks for looking.

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:38 am
by QTCut5
FRJ wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:01 am Here's a sweet old Congress Jack. 3 7/8" closed.
Thanks for looking.
WOW...gorgeous bones on that old Congress, Joe...Very Nice! ::tu:: 8) ::tu::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:59 am
by FRJ
Thank you, Q, it has held up well over the years. ::tu::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:45 am
by Ivoryman
FRJ wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:01 am Here's a sweet old Congress Jack. 3 7/8" closed.
Thanks for looking.

Beauty. Great bones and bolsters.

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:55 am
by FRJ
Thank you, Ivoryman.
Glad you like it. ::tu::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:03 am
by Quick Steel
Ditto all the above. I love the color of those bones.

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:59 pm
by FRJ
Thank you, Quick Steel. ::tu::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:12 pm
by 1967redrider
Another sweet HOK, Joe! ::nod::

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:52 pm
by danno50
Great knives, Harold and Joe! ::td:: ::td:: Joe, I am especially partial to the congress jacks.

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:21 am
by celluloidheros
knowtracks wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:54 pm Two real Beauties right there Lloyd!! You prompted me to dig mine out and to a comparison with the lockback....soon to follow! :D
I also have one of those metal "tweezers" Miller Bro's!! ::tu:: Only two I've ever seen but I'd bet they made a bunch of em! ::nod:: ::nod::
Thank You Danno!!
Here's a barehead jack with some sweet honey bone that looks like it's brand new! Half stops and snaps like a trap!! :shock:
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Dave
hello, some of the SM knives you post seem like more recent made knives and some are older. Do you have access to newer made parts or are they just mint old examples ? Many of the knives are just fantastic examples. great collection !

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:45 am
by FRJ
Reviewing this thread ----- Thanks to redrider and Dan. ::tu:: ::tu::

Pure eye candy in this thread!

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:52 am
by knowtracks
celluloidheros wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:21 am
knowtracks wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:54 pm Two real Beauties right there Lloyd!! You prompted me to dig mine out and to a comparison with the lockback....soon to follow! :D
I also have one of those metal "tweezers" Miller Bro's!! ::tu:: Only two I've ever seen but I'd bet they made a bunch of em! ::nod:: ::nod::
Thank You Danno!!
Here's a barehead jack with some sweet honey bone that looks like it's brand new! Half stops and snaps like a trap!! :shock:
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Dave
hello, some of the SM knives you post seem like more recent made knives and some are older. Do you have access to newer made parts or are they just mint old examples ? Many of the knives are just fantastic examples. great collection !
All the knives I've posted in this thread are original S&M made in Titusville acquired from several sources.
Just like all the knives I've posted in the Gowanda thread are original from there.

Dave

PS I think I've only posted bout half my collection

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:28 am
by QTCut5
knowtracks wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:52 am PS I think I've only posted bout half my collection
Well, pitter patter...let's get to her. Looking forward to seeing the other ½+ of your collection, Dave. :D

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:53 am
by celluloidheros
knowtracks wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:52 am
celluloidheros wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:21 am
knowtracks wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:54 pm Two real Beauties right there Lloyd!! You prompted me to dig mine out and to a comparison with the lockback....soon to follow! :D
I also have one of those metal "tweezers" Miller Bro's!! ::tu:: Only two I've ever seen but I'd bet they made a bunch of em! ::nod:: ::nod::
Thank You Danno!!
Here's a barehead jack with some sweet honey bone that looks like it's brand new! Half stops and snaps like a trap!! :shock:
IMG_3040.jpg


Dave
They are some real beauties.

hello, some of the SM knives you post seem like more recent made knives and some are older. Do you have access to newer made parts or are they just mint old examples ? Many of the knives are just fantastic examples. great collection !
All the knives I've posted in this thread are original S&M made in Titusville acquired from several sources.
Just like all the knives I've posted in the Gowanda thread are original from there.

Dave

PS I think I've only posted bout half my collection

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:01 am
by celluloidheros
knowtracks wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:52 am Thanks cudgee! Than one is as close to pristine as any T-ville Schatt that I've ever seen!
Week or so back Lloyd/Duffer posted his Beautiful Lockback and Advertising S&M's, and it got me to thinkin........ :roll:
One of the things that was so 8) 8) 8) to me was that Queen bought Schatt and Morgan lock, stock and barrel. So that when, under Bill Howard's hand, Queen decided to make the Annual Reproduction or Keystone Series and then the File and Wire Series, they were making these old S&M patterns with the same old original machinery, set-ups, tooling and work benches. Making the same exact pocket cutlery, in the same exact way, at the same exact work stations as they were made dang near a 100 yrs ago. Still basically made by hand by skilled cutlers. I really hated to see Queen go down :x so much American cutlery history.
Anyway....... that was the long way around the barn for this comparison of the Original and the F&W Lockbacks.
I expect everyone reading this knows it's a big knife @ 5 1/2" and the lock release is positioned way closer to the pivot than most lockbacks.
Just the bottom bolster and subtle differences between the two. The rat tail size and where the cut swedge stops. The pull placement and length, pin locations, thickness of the blade and spring are exactly the same.
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Dave
With these knives being reproduced. Is it possible that people might use the parts in older knives ? I know that when the Case Classic series came out that it caused some issues. Is there any way to tell from the marks whether they are old or new ?

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:01 pm
by knowtracks
Smaller single blade, well used but not abused jack. My guess is that it was a spear point, still nice brown bone. 3 1/4" closed
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Lots of years of service and lots left!


Dave

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 2:04 pm
by danno50
Another nice old knife, Dave! ::tu::

Apologies to Harold and Joe. In my post on Nov 16, 2021, when commenting on their recent postings, I accidently gave them two thumbs down, instead of two thumbs up. :oops: ::dang:: I hope they knew what I really meant.

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:06 am
by Thomasg
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. Two clauss contract knifes

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:32 pm
by Ridgegrass
Bought this old Schatt and Morgan in Salisbury, MD yesterday. Swell-center, double end jack, ebony, just shy of 4". Lots of wear but an equal amount of character.Still tight and snappy. Happy to make this rare find. :D J.O'.

Re: Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:34 am
by Kramersknife
I attended the Queen Factory auction in 2019 and went through the whole building and basement looking at the thousands of unfinished blades as well as the un repaired knives ( I bought quite a few and restored 13 so far) was a site to see... kinda sad too. My mom was born in Titusville I only live about 42 miles away now.I just paid my son's college tuition so I only spent $450.00 that day but I would of tripled that.I did get two S&M auto's and one Queen,So far restored 2 gonna do one more this winter.I have a lot of paperwork as we bought everything in the MGr's office including file cabinets, chair, computers, desk filled with Queen, S&M, Moore Maker, Remington purchase orders and knife drawings/ tracings with design changes and updates for department head meetings. Pretty cool stuff