All About Pocket Knives

Thank you for the link Ken, added to my library of reads .
Willy

Though I would post something that I found and cant be sure if it was on AAPK befor or not.

Hadn’t seen this one before. Thanks for posting it !

Thanks for the Schlieper and Eye Brand tang stamps. I’ve seen that before but don’t recall where.

Ken

Didn't see this old IMPERIAL stamp on any of the posts. Pretty early one I believe. (Sorry for the rough drawing.) J.O'.

Picked this little guy up today. Another Imperial (IKCO) stamp not shown in this thread. Have a feeling its an early one. J.O'.

Wabash Cutlery tang stamps. Terre Haute IN. 1921-1935.
These are from knives that I own. There may be more.
I'm no artist as you can plainly see.

Hello everyone, I am in need of help. I have looked everywhere on the internet, and can not find a chart that covers the tang stamps and the numbering system of Winchester pocket knives. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Spencer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:02 am Hello everyone, I am in need of help. I have looked everywhere on the internet, and can not find a chart that covers the tang stamps and the numbering system of Winchester pocket knives. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Here is a small piece of what Goins Encyclopedia says for Winchester:

Of the old Winchester knives, there are two grades. The first was marked [WINCHESTER TRADEMARK MADE IN USA] on all blades, and was very well built... After Western Cartridge purchased the firm in 1931, the high quality continued on the knives marked on all blades. It was after 1931 that the second type of Winchester knife was introduced. This knife is marked on the master blade only. It is not of the same high quality as the other knives.There are many FAKE Winchester knives on the market. They are marked exactly like the originals, and even an expert has difficulty distinguishing them from the originals, so beware!

Thank you very much, the knife is not in perfect condition and is only stamped on two of the three blades. The stamp could have been bad and was subsequently warn off, by the looks of the knife it does not show ant sign of being repaired.

Hello does anyone have any info on this little knife? Thanks

Wish I could help you. If you repost this but start a new topic question. This is under the tang stamp thread and might not be seen so much. Welcome to AAPK Nice looking knife though

Okay will do and I am glad to be part of this forum, lots of great info and members!

Pal USA was using Remington and Pal parts to build their knives according to one of the tang stamp photos

Does anyone have any graphics and'or dates on UTICA tang Stamps. I have some knives with U.K.& R (originally manufactured 1910), half moon UTICA, straight line UTICA and KUTMASTER. The company changed names to UTICA CUTLERY CO.in 1929, and I know KUTMASTER began in 1937 but don't know dates for the actual stampings. Thanks

Ridgegrass wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:53 pm Does anyone have any graphics and'or dates on UTICA tang Stamps. I have some knives with U.K.& R (originally manufactured 1910), half moon UTICA, straight line UTICA and KUTMASTER. The company changed names to UTICA CUTLERY CO.in 1929, and I know KUTMASTER began in 1937 but don't know dates for the actual stampings. Thanks

Good luck

Doesn't look good ? J.O'.

Ridgegrass wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:17 pm Doesn't look good ? J.O'.

I hope it will,but I haven't had much luck narrowing down dates. Then again I'm no expert.

Ridgegrass wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:53 pm Does anyone have any graphics and'or dates on UTICA tang Stamps. I have some knives with U.K.& R (originally manufactured 1910), half moon UTICA, straight line UTICA and KUTMASTER. The company changed names to UTICA CUTLERY CO.in 1929, and I know KUTMASTER began in 1937 but don't know dates for the actual stampings. Thanks

U.K.&R. or Utica Knife and Razor is not the same as Utica Cutlery. U.K.&R. was an importer of mostly german made pocket knives/razors, although Utica Cutlery may have made some knives for them under contract. Utica Cutlery Company (incorporated in 1910) used the "arched" or "half moon" stamp from 1910, probably until the very start of WW2. The arched stamp went through some different variations during that time. The straight line Uticas began showing up around WW2 I suspect and I believe that stamp was relatively short lived. As you stated Kutmaster was registered as a trademark by Utica Cutlery in 1937 and again the Kutmaster stamp took on some different variations. Utica Cutlery has maintained the same name from 1910 to present day. I hope to have a rough tang stamp chart in the works for Utica Cutlery/Kutmaster in the near future

JC: Thanks. The reference I cited was Houston Price 10th Edition. In it he says UK&R "changed it's name" to Utica Cutlery around 1929, implying they were the same companies. Levine says UK&R was c.1924-1935 and the owners then opened PAL in 1935. He also dates Utica Cutlery Co. from 1910. The two seem to be in direct contradiction. I always thought UK&R was the older version. I have a few UK&R's and they have no foreign markings, just "Utica, N.Y."
Do you say they were never the same company? Has anyone ever done a full history on Utica? Interesting , Thanks again. J.O'.

Yes they were totally seperate companies, but again, the knife you posted could have been made for Utica K&R under contract by the Utica Cutlery co or some other contract manufacturer... hard to say . Utica Cutlery made knives for many different companys in that pre WW2 era. To date the best source of Utica Cutlerys history that I have found is the Knife world article written in 2010 by Mark Zalesky titled "Uticas First Century". Although Marks article is probably the most thorough, Bruce Voyles has some accurate information in his knife guides regarding Utica Cutlery also. Hope that helps!

Again, I hope to put together a tang stamp chart/dating guide for Utica Cutlery made knives. This is tricky as they used many variations of similar stamps and there is no rhyme or reason that I can tell. The company did not keep records regarding these stamps so in many cases you have to look at the build of the knife to date it. A great case of read the knife not the stamp!

Thanks again. J.O'.

Here is a tang stamp that I am having trouble finding. May not be USA? Ting is built solid. Has anyone come across any info? Thanks in advance. Under the name is a W

I recently acquired 2 old knives , did some research to date them ... Well here I am lol. One is a 3 blade Kutmaster "Stockman" and the other is a HIT USA "Watchbob", according to my web-search on both. If anyone has any info that would be awesome!

Donwomble wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:10 am I recently acquired 2 old knives , did some research to date them ... Well here I am lol. One is a 3 blade Kutmaster "Stockman" and the other is a HIT USA "Watchbob", according to my web-search on both. If anyone has any info that would be awesome!

Utica acquired Kutmaster in 1937, still uses the Kutmaster name. Aside from that I can’t tell you much. Goins’ Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings has a listing for HIT USA but no further info. General that means the author has seen the mark but was unable to find out anything about it.

Ken