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Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:38 pm
by Edgewise
Now I can't forget what jigged bone should look like. Thanks Dale.
Your first picture, left row, last but one, and right hand row, bottom knife, are my favourites,
one for each pocket. I guess they're Camillus?
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:01 pm
by orvet
Glad you like then Paul.
Neither of those knives have a brand name on them.
They were probably made by Camillus, Imperial or Pal Blade Co for US Government contract in WW II.
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:43 pm
by Mossdancer
Darn Dale:
It would from displayed appearances that you and Mr. Levine have just made Rogers Bone a very mundane thing. They must have provided product for the vast majority of Cutlery Cos. in the early 1900's. It would sure be great to see their production and shipping records from the time they purchased the handle company till around 1950. Thanks to you both for the education.
moss
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:00 pm
by Miller Bro's
orvet wrote:
If anyone knows which patterns are Rogers and which aren’t, I would like to know.
The last one in the left column and the second one down in the right column are not Rogers.
The rest are

Nice selection of bone handles Dale

Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:33 am
by orvet
Here is my first Camillus Sword Brand with a 4-line tang stamp.
This is how it arrived with absolutely no cleanup.
It appears to me to be Rogers Bone, what do you think Dimitri?
I guess this one belongs here as well.
A Sword Brand #1001 hawkbill pruner.
The pattern number was changed to #1 by time of the 1946 catalog.
The 1946 catalog is the oldest I have, and I don't think they put out a catalog during the war.
The change in the catalog pattern may have predated WWII.
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:14 pm
by Miller Bro's
Very nice Dale
Those Camillus fixed blade knives did use Rogers bone as well, in fact if you compare it to a Remington fixed blade they are identical handles

Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:02 am
by orvet
I thought I had seen Rogers Bone on Remington’s before, both fixed and folders.
Rogers must have been the main supplier of bone in their day.
I wish we could get it again!
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:40 am
by orvet
Here is one I got today in the mail today.
The tang stamp reads:
CAMILLUS/CUTLERY CO./CAMILLUS, N.Y./U.S.A. 1915
The stamp alone pretty well dates this knife.
I imagine it was a US Navy issue knife, though I am not sure.
I will have to do some more research on it.
It has some major issues, loose bolster on the spike end, cracked bone on the pile side, weak & rusty liner, etc. I need to check with a couple experts before I do any restoration work on it.
I was thrilled to get this piece, especially since it has a new 4-line tang stamp I have not seen before!
I took lots of scans, enjoy this old knife and try to imagine what it looked like in its glory day!
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:10 am
by Iron Hoarder
I think I would put that one in a display case and just leave it as is. Some old warriors deserve retirement and that is an old beauty with honest wear. Great knife.
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:36 pm
by tjmurphy
That's a great one Dale

Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:42 pm
by Mossdancer
Dale:
I was thinking maybe it is time for you to think about building a shadow or display box an put some of those old Cams. in it and arrange as well as can be figured in Chronological order. That opener has a great thumb stud on it. Would not be a bit surprised if that old fellow did not see duty aboard a three or four master in the late Teens. I have a 17 or 21 Boarding Cutlass that you could use in your display if you want to. I forgot to say you got a real Treasure this time.
moss
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:13 pm
by smokepole
I think I would put that one in a display case and just leave it as is. Some old warriors deserve retirement and that is an old beauty with honest wear. Great knife.
+1 I'm with Iron Hoarder on this one..(and with MossDancer).
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:31 pm
by orvet
Iron Hoarder wrote:I think I would put that one in a display case and just leave it as is. Some old warriors deserve retirement and that is an old beauty with honest wear. Great knife.
I agree, at least for the time being. If it is as rare as I suspect it would only decrease the value. Besides it would take extensive work to rebuild; I think I would need to replace the liners. Finding a sheet of carbon steel would not be that easy, most supply houses only have stainless sheet steel.
Mossdancer wrote: I forgot to say you got a real Treasure this time.
moss
Thanks Moss, I quite agree!
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:37 am
by travman
Here is a Sword Brand Hobo with the curved 3 line tang stamp
Goings dates this around 1902-1915
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:54 am
by travman
Here is a 4-3/4" Lockback with a swing guard
Sword brand etch is still visible on blade , small
chip on lower corner by the lock release
Locks up tight and good snap still
Has the 3 line stamp
CAMILLUS
CUTLERY Co
CAMILLUS,N.Y.
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:08 am
by Miller Bro's
That Hobo has got to be rare

Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:23 am
by travman
Its a Great early piece from the past
It is still tight and snappy the
3 pieces slide apart smooth and fit back snug

Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:30 am
by travman
Here is a 5-1/4" folding hunter
It has the 3 line stamp
CAMILLUS
CUTLERY Co.
NEW-YORK
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:49 pm
by tjmurphy
WOW!!

Trav, you're killin' me with those wonderful old Cammies.

In the words of JustOld52 "There Grrrrrrrrrrrr8"

Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:01 pm
by orvet
Trav,
Those are all pre-WWII tang stamps.
Tom William said "CUTLERY" was dropped from tang stamps after WWII.
Most of the WWII stamps are 4-line.
From what I have gathered so far about Camillus tang stamps, I would think those are all 1930s or earlier.
NICE KNIVES!

Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:48 pm
by travman
Thanks Guys
The Hobo seems to be the elder of the three
pretty early tang stamp
Trav
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:07 am
by travman
Here is a hard to find Sword Brand 5" toothpick
not a fish knife
4 line tang stamp with the sword brand stamp
Trav
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:16 am
by travman
Camillus Cutlery razor
Not sure of the age but it must predate ww2
I know its not a pocket knife but i thought it belonged here
Trav
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:41 pm
by carrmillus
travman wrote:Here is a Sword Brand Hobo with the curved 3 line tang stamp
Goings dates this around 1902-1915
travman, this is a real treasure!!!...i have one like it with the 4 line stamp-1914-1941, it's near mint with brown jigged bone, and it's probably my favorite camillus!-great find!!!!
Re: Camillus WWII and before!
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:01 am
by travman
Thanks carmillus
It was your fine Hobo that made me search for one in that condition
i got lucky and found it with that early tang stamp
Trav