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Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:16 pm
by toomanyknives
wlf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:37 pm
Here are some other examples I didn't realize were pick bone until I started these posts . Many , if not most of the pattern I collect (farmers jacks) were produced prior to the invention of a jigging machine.
1 and two are Ulster made Maher and Grosh.
3 and 4 are Ulsters
5 is comparison scans with both
Wow! Such wonderful old knives!
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:24 pm
by wlf
My opinions based on research ,but open for better scrutiny.
The Salisbury Cutlery Handle Factory began in the 1860’s and by the 1920’s was one of the largest employers in Salisbury , CT.
Stag and exotic wood knife handles were made for cutlery companies including the Clyde Cutlery Co., the Baldwin Cutlery Co., Holley Manufacturing Company , and others.
I believe these are examples of their early jigging and noticeably the dying process was not perfected, as many have a translucence. These are not all my knives.
1. American Shear
2. Curley Cutlery
3. Hatch
4 and 5 . Holley
5 and 6. Southington
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:41 pm
by wlf
More ; and furthermore you can see the similitude to the eventual Schrade peach seed . I don't know how or why , but I'd guess somebody working for Salisbury eventually ended up in employment for Schrade.
1. Southington and Ulster( old 1890 or earlier)
2. Southington and a little later Ulster
3. Schrade, Ulster , Southington comparison
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:50 pm
by wlf
DM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:25 pm
Sheffield England, Unity, Needham
William Rodgers, Needham, IXL
Joseph Rodgers, Wards, H M Slater, Albert Oates
Thanks guys for all the examples showing the English style jigging. The Brits are too structured to have the randomness associated with American jigged bone .
Great collection and many beautiful examples of their style David .
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:19 pm
by Ivoryman
wlf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:21 pm
Ridgegrass wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:54 pm
Lyle, That last pic really shows the art of bone jigging. No rookie apprentice did that.
J.O'.
My opinions based on research ,but open for better scrutiny.
The early jigged bone , most of it , we call pick bone. There was another early style called Salisbury bone.
The Walden Cutlery Handle Company was a Co-op of NYK, Walden , and Schrade. This was prior to the invention of the jigging machine . However it was done , it was done by a man.
They were a producer or the producer of the style pick bone below, which has indicatively dark lines; sometimes zig zagging and X-ing across the handles on one that's worn. This old Ulster shows a worn example of pick bone and the fallibility or mischievousness of men on the pile side tang stamp .
1. NYK unused pick bone
2. NYK shows the deep underscores which result in the dark lines mentioned above on worn examples
3. Schrade pick bone on the left
4. DE pick bone
5 & 6. Ulster worn pick bone
Holy moly you posted so many beauties it's hard to begin. Bravo on getting a museum stash together. Thanks for showing them all, loved drooling through the garden of great bones.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:59 pm
by Ridgegrass
Yeah Lyle, I was just impressed with the evenness of the picking.
The Ulster looks like it was left with the faded side up for a long time. I have quite a few like that. You really have some wonderful pieces.
J.O'.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:26 pm
by DM11
wlf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:50 pm
DM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:25 pm
Sheffield England, Unity, Needham
William Rodgers, Needham, IXL
Joseph Rodgers, Wards, H M Slater, Albert Oates
Thanks guys for all the examples showing the English style jigging. The Brits are too structured to have the randomness associated with American jigged bone .
Great collection and many beautiful examples of their style David .
Thank you Lyle!
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:34 pm
by geocash
wlf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:24 pm
My opinions based on research ,but open for better scrutiny.
The Salisbury Cutlery Handle Factory began in the 1860’s and by the 1920’s was one of the largest employers in Salisbury , CT.
Stag and exotic wood knife handles were made for cutlery companies including the Clyde Cutlery Co., the Baldwin Cutlery Co., Holley Manufacturing Company , and others.
I believe these are examples of their early jigging and noticeably the dying process was not perfected, as many have a translucence. These are not all my knives.
1. American Shear
2. Curley Cutlery
3. Hatch
4 and 5 . Holley
5 and 6. Southington
Lyle, thanks for taking your time & making the effort to provide all the information on this thread. It's educating & enjoyable.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:04 pm
by geocash
DM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:25 pm
Sheffield England, Unity, Needham
William Rodgers, Needham, IXL
Joseph Rodgers, Wards, H M Slater, Albert Oates
David, thank you, too. Those are some really fine examples. You & Lyle (& others) have some impressive knives.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:52 am
by DM11
geocash wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:04 pm
DM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:25 pm
Sheffield England, Unity, Needham
William Rodgers, Needham, IXL
Joseph Rodgers, Wards, H M Slater, Albert Oates
David, thank you, too. Those are some really fine examples. You & Lyle (& others) have some impressive knives.
Thank you Geo!
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:41 am
by Ivoryman
Recent GEC bones that I really like.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:58 am
by Thomasg
Ivoryman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:41 am
Recent GEC bones that I really like.
That some great looking new bone .The old English and American examples that have been added since my last visit are awesome . Thanks everyone for sharing .Here is my newest knife to add to my bone pile .I got it on trade .A Camilus 4 line elephant toe or sun fish .New bone scales and clean up job done by Gary Claxton for a knife enthusiasts friend of mine that wanted a ole case knife I had .
- Before
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:15 am
by Reverand
Thomasg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:58 am
Ivoryman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:41 am
Recent GEC bones that I really like.
That some great looking new bone .The old English and American examples that have been added since my last visit are awesome . Thanks everyone for sharing .Here is my newest knife to add to my bone pile .I got it on trade .A Camilus 4 line elephant toe or sun fish .New bone scales and clean up job done by Gary Claxton for a knife enthusiasts friend of mine that wanted a ole case knife I had .
IMG_3469.jpeg
He did a great job. That is a beauty!
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:32 am
by toomanyknives
Thomasg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:58 am
Ivoryman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:41 am
Recent GEC bones that I really like.
That some great looking new bone .The old English and American examples that have been added since my last visit are awesome . Thanks everyone for sharing .Here is my newest knife to add to my bone pile .I got it on trade .A Camilus 4 line elephant toe or sun fish .New bone scales and clean up job done by Gary Claxton for a knife enthusiasts friend of mine that wanted a ole case knife I had .
IMG_3469.jpeg
That's a nice one, Thomas! Gary does great work!
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:40 pm
by Ivoryman
Thomasg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:58 am
Ivoryman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:41 am
Recent GEC bones that I really like.
That some great looking new bone .The old English and American examples that have been added since my last visit are awesome . Thanks everyone for sharing .Here is my newest knife to add to my bone pile .I got it on trade .A Camilus 4 line elephant toe or sun fish .New bone scales and clean up job done by Gary Claxton for a knife enthusiasts friend of mine that wanted a ole case knife I had .
IMG_3469.jpeg
Love what you did to that sunfish. Looks great, nice work.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:07 am
by Ivoryman
Looks like Coca Cola bone
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:15 am
by DM11
Ivoryman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:07 am
Looks like Coca Cola bone
Looks nice!
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:12 am
by Ivoryman
Thanks DM, liked your pair today.
Queen made 1972 Drake Well SFOs had some good saw cut bone IMHO.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:19 pm
by Thomasg
E Weck co. I think it may contract knife by sharade .
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:58 pm
by Ivoryman
That has great bones Thomas.
A couple Jeffinn rescaled.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:09 am
by Thomasg
Ivoryman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:58 pm
That has great bones Thomas.
A couple Jeffinn rescaled.
That’s some nice looking work .I especially like the knife with the double grooved bolsters !
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:18 am
by Ivoryman
Thomasg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:09 am
Ivoryman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:58 pm
That has great bones Thomas.
A couple Jeffinn rescaled.
That’s some nice looking work .I especially like the knife with the double grooved bolsters !
Thanks Thomas, made me want to pullout all the Jeffins and admire his work. Love what he did to these. Thanks again.
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:38 am
by Thomasg
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:15 am
by toomanyknives
Thomasg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:38 am
A few more from the bone pile .IMG_3532.jpegIMG_3533.pngIMG_3604.jpegIMG_3605.jpeg
Just don't make 'em like that anymore, Thomas!
Re: BONES BONES BONES
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:21 pm
by doglegg
Thomasg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:38 am
A few more from the bone pile .IMG_3532.jpegIMG_3533.pngIMG_3604.jpegIMG_3605.jpeg
Mmmmmmm