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Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:35 am
by 1fartsmella
Gunsil wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:05 pm
Here's a hard one to find, a Kipsi Kut from Poughkeepsie, NY. Some wear to main blade, great snap, I'd been looking for one for many years.
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Quite obscure, an amazing find! We are lucky to even see a picture of one. Thanks for posting.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:15 am
by doglegg
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:50 pm
by danno50
Great find, Gene!
Congratulations!!
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:09 pm
by edge213
Iroquois Cutlery Co Utica NY
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:36 pm
by Waukonda
Very nice looking knife!
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:55 am
by Papa Bones
Gunsil wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:05 pm
Here's a hard one to find, a Kipsi Kut from Poughkeepsie, NY. Some wear to main blade, great snap, I'd been looking for one for many years.
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Beautiful knife. Congrats on a great find!!
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 pm
by Ridgegrass
PAXTON & GALLAGHER, Hardware wholesaler, 1864-1959, Omaha, NE. Pen blade snapped, slightly unique shield. 3-1/2", nice bone. brass liners,
iron bolsters. Maker unknown. Anybody have one? Like to know more. J.O'.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:09 pm
by edge213
Ridgegrass wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 pm
PAXTON & GALLAGHER, Hardware wholesaler, 1864-1959, Omaha, NE. Pen blade snapped, slightly unique shield. 3-1/2", nice bone. brass liners,
iron bolsters. Maker unknown. Anybody have one? Like to know more. J.O'.
Ridge, check your PMs. I sent you one a couple days ago.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:34 pm
by Ridgegrass
Wilco.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:36 pm
by Yomagn'tho
VERITABLE CHOTON
Found on ebay and it was really dirty, seller offered it to me at 30% off original ask. Unfortunately the small blade was missing a chunk and the "Veritable" script in the Brand Name was gone. Needed a test bed for the sake of cleaning and I liked the look of it so I took the offer. Knife was very dirty and it was hard to open the blades and there was no "snap" initially.
My first few attempts at cleaning did not work (first a soapy bath, then a WD40 bath, then a more drastic attempt with Rust Oleum and letting soak for an hour) and I unfortunately had to sand it in the end. After sanding everything I used Can-o-Air to free up any particles and then finished with another WD40 bath to loosen up everything.
Here are the before pics.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:39 pm
by Yomagn'tho
.....and here are the after cleaning pictures. Still need to thoroughly sharpen the main blade, but the saw teeth appear unused and are quite sharp as is. While not pictured all blades/pieces open all the way and all sit firmly at half-stop. The small blade has wobble when closed and opened, but the other items are all excellent closed/half/open and are firm to open and have very strong "snap".
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:47 pm
by Yomagn'tho
To be clear I don't plan on so drastic a clean on the old knives I pickup, but with this one I needed to know that I could if needed on any rusty/dirty knife.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:13 pm
by edge213
Yomagn'tho wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:47 pm
To be clear I don't plan on so drastic a clean on the old knives I pickup, but with this one I needed to know that I could if needed on any rusty/dirty knife.
Good job!
Cool old knife.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:05 pm
by peanut740
According to Goins,dates from ca.1900-1920.E.Felsenheld Maker New York.4 1/2" jack.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:28 pm
by ObsidianEdge
Nice, Roger. The jigging reminded me of Schrade.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:15 pm
by peanut740
ObsidianEdge wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:28 pm
Nice, Roger. The jigging reminded me of Schrade.
Mike,it's similar, but different. It pre-dates that style of Schrade jigging.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:56 pm
by doglegg
Roger, you don't have a knife collection, you have a knife museum.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:12 pm
by danno50
Nice one, Roger.
That is interesting jigging, two directional kind of like a basket weave.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:54 am
by Reverand
Yomagn'tho, you did a great job in cleaning and restoring that knife! I know we shudder at the thought of sanding rare antique knives, but sometimes the poor condition leaves you no choice.
There is a big difference between cleaning off rust, and over-buffing a knife "just to make it shiny"!
You did well!
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:52 am
by BWT
Good job Yomagn, looks good! Beautiful old obscure knife for sure Roger
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:26 pm
by peanut740
Thanks Bill.
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:15 pm
by TPK
peanut740 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:05 pm
According to Goins,dates from ca.1900-1920.E.Felsenheld Maker New York.4 1/2" jack.
Beautiful find Roger!
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:52 pm
by Yomagn'tho
Reverand wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:54 am
Yomagn'tho, you did a great job in cleaning and restoring that knife! I know we shudder at the thought of sanding rare antique knives, but sometimes the poor condition leaves you no choice.
There is a big difference between cleaning off rust, and over-buffing a knife "just to make it shiny"!
You did well!
Thanks Reverand, appreciate it
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:56 am
by Yomagn'tho
A.A. FISHER
I will have to look for a better example, but I slicked this one up pretty fast. Goins 2nd Edition doesn't list it so I am not sure about it's date or anything for that matter. I think the scales are bakelite (looks & feels) so it would be post 1909. Sorry I was having a difficult time getting focus on the makers mark and couldn't find my magnifying glass.
A couple questions though:
1. How does the collecting community feel about reshaping an already damaged blade? Obviously leaving a knife as untouched is ideal, closest to factory as possible, but if the damage already exists? With this one I will leave the smaller blade alone as the main one will be all I need.
2. Apart from Goin's are there any books that will help shed light on the different knife makers?
Re: Old and Obscure Brands
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:32 am
by Challenger007
Yomagn'tho wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:56 am
A.A. FISHER
I will have to look for a better example, but I slicked this one up pretty fast. Goins 2nd Edition doesn't list it so I am not sure about it's date or anything for that matter. I think the scales are bakelite (looks & feels) so it would be post 1909. Sorry I was having a difficult time getting focus on the makers mark and couldn't find my magnifying glass.
A couple questions though:
1. How does the collecting community feel about reshaping an already damaged blade? Obviously leaving a knife as untouched is ideal, closest to factory as possible, but if the damage already exists? With this one I will leave the smaller blade alone as the main one will be all I need.
2. Apart from Goin's are there any books that will help shed light on the different knife makers?
Rebuilding the blade or not depends on the purpose of the knife. Do you want to use it or just store it in a collection. Of course, when replacing the blade, authenticity will be lost, but maybe it makes sense.