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Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:40 pm
by JAMESC41001
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Here is some communications I found really interesting and lucky to get. Half of these papers were listed under Ulster and the other under Honk falls. Luckily a friend (thanks Eric) grabbed the ulster half and I purchased the Honk Falls half. These as you know don’t come around everyday and to be able to put all the correspondence together is just luck. What you can see is a request from Honk falls to Lampson Goodnow to job some Kitchen and butchers cutlery. In turn Lampson reached out to ulster to inquire about the Honk falls knife co. You can see they gave a less then flattering response back. These papers answer a few questions for me and this is the first official letterhead I’ve seen as well.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:03 am
by Duffer
Thanks James for posting photos of this correspondence! I find it very interesting and it also answers some questions I have had about Honk Falls too. Thanks again ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:15 pm
by JAMESC41001
You Bet Lloyd.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:34 pm
by edge213
JAMESC41001 wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:40 pm 2DC6FF8C-B469-4E96-A8E6-B41EA54B15A6.jpeg3EAA63BC-027D-4B40-BC41-A7AD1139C9A7.jpeg7C9AC7DD-19C9-44BD-9D89-B81121FB69BB.jpeg3FCD10E6-F8FC-469E-AEAE-D1C06007D7A8.jpeg01F7DA15-C256-4596-8266-7E59F13BF8DC.jpegF705A94D-7BF0-41E8-BFEB-C07F31A946A7.jpegHere is some communications I found really interesting and lucky to get. Half of these papers were listed under Ulster and the other under Honk falls. Luckily a friend (thanks Eric) grabbed the ulster half and I purchased the Honk Falls half. These as you know don’t come around everyday and to be able to put all the correspondence together is just luck. What you can see is a request from Honk falls to Lampson Goodnow to job some Kitchen and butchers cutlery. In turn Lampson reached out to ulster to inquire about the Honk falls knife co. You can see they gave a less then flattering response back. These papers answer a few questions for me and this is the first official letterhead I’ve seen as well.
Thank you for posting, I found it very interesting and enjoyable to read.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:23 pm
by JAMESC41001
Glad you guys appreciate this stuff as much as I do.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:26 pm
by wlf
Thanks to you and Eric James.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:10 pm
by Waukonda
That is some great info James, thanks for a look into cutlery history. Stuff like this, in my opinion, is one of the best things about collecting knives, love the history. I gotta admit, hadn't really explored this forum before and just finished going through all the posts. Some really, really nice old knives pictured. Thanks again!

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:07 pm
by JAMESC41001
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I’ve been gathering a bunch of interesting info. Just need more time to put it all together. Here is another Honk I’ve picked up along the way.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:34 pm
by BWT
Very nice James, I have never seen a Honk Falls in person ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:07 pm
by JAMESC41001
They come around occasionally on eBay Bill. Still few and far between. A little pricey as well. I pretty much stopped buying knives just in case one pops up somewhere.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:24 am
by Duffer
Here is a Honk Falls 3 & 1/2 inch coke bottle Jack I recently acquired. I have been looking for a HF for a couple of years and finally found this example. The handles are in great shape with no cracks or splits that I can detect. The blades have some loss but are fairly full. Anyway, very pleased to finally have one ::nod::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:18 pm
by peanut740
Very interesting ephemera James.Lloyd,that is a dandy!. ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:12 pm
by Waukonda
Lloyd, Great looking knife, a coke bottle pattern no less!

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:04 pm
by edge213
Duffer wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:24 am Here is a Honk Falls 3 & 1/2 inch coke bottle Jack I recently acquired. I have been looking for a HF for a couple of years and finally found this example. The handles are in great shape with no cracks or splits that I can detect. The blades have some loss but are fairly full. Anyway, very pleased to finally have one ::nod::
Beautiful knife

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:20 pm
by TPK
Looks very nice Duffer! Congratulations that you found one you like! ::tu:: ::super_happy::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:55 pm
by danno50
Very interesting paper work, James, thank you for posting it! ::tu:: Lovely Honk Falls pen knife as well! ::tu::
Beautiful knife, Lloyd, congratulations on a great find! ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:04 pm
by JAMESC41001
Great knife Lloyd! That was actually the first pattern I got as well. Mine has been rehandled on one side. The gentleman I purchased it from told me it was damaged in the factory fire. I always believed it was done in the Barn Mr. Cushner set up. Now with this info I can confirm this. I’ve seen about six of these coke bottles and I notice some have steel pivot pins and some brass. Yours looks perfect. Maybe it made it out the door before the fire. The fire was In October 1929. Thanks for posting it. One of my favorite knives for sure.

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:10 pm
by Duffer
Thanks my friends for your nice comments on this Honk Falls Jack!!

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:46 am
by LongBlade
JAMESC41001 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:07 pm
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I’ve been gathering a bunch of interesting info. Just need more time to put it all together. Here is another Honk I’ve picked up along the way.
Lovely pen knife Jay ::tu:: ::tu:: ... Looks like it has some heft to it for a pen knife 8) :) ... I'm looking forward to your new interesting info ::nod:: ..
Duffer wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:24 am Here is a Honk Falls 3 & 1/2 inch coke bottle Jack I recently acquired. I have been looking for a HF for a couple of years and finally found this example. The handles are in great shape with no cracks or splits that I can detect. The blades have some loss but are fairly full. Anyway, very pleased to finally have one ::nod::
Stunning Hunter Lloyd ::tu:: ::tu:: ... Great bone and I'm really liking the secondary blade along with the clip - you don't find many Hunters with a secondary blade - I remember Miller Bros made one with a clip and I believe a big spear blade but it is a very rare knife...

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:58 am
by JAMESC41001
Thanks Lee. Did you take a look at the papers I posted?

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:44 pm
by LongBlade
Hey Jay - I was abit behind on here :wink: ,,, but saw the papers/letters on previous page - fantastic stuff ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu:: ...

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:59 am
by JAMESC41001
Some research on the Napanoch punch. This pic was printed from a glass plate negative circa 1915.
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Napanoch knife began making knives in 1900. The application for a patent for the punch was filed 1907 and awarded in 1908.
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By 1919 Napanoch was sold to Winchester. Winchester continued to make knives under both the winchester and Napanoch name. Some Winchester knives have the distinctive punch and some do not. By 1921 some ex Napanoch employees set up shop in the old Napanoch factory under the name Honk Falls Knife. By 1925 all three companies were listed as manufacturing pocket knives.
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In 1929 the Honk falls factory was destroyed by fire but Honk falls knives continued to be manufactured in Napanoch in a different location. When Winchester went into receivership the Naponoch name and the intellectual property ie the patents and trademarks came with it. The owner of Honk Falls, John Cushner began making Napanoch marked knives in Napanoch once again.
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Of the half dozen Honk Falls knives I’ve seen with punches none have the distinctive Napanoch punch and I do not recall ever seeing and Napanoch knives that did not have the distinctive punch.
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These are two of my Honk falls. I think it’s likely Winchester used existing inventory until the supply ran out. What happened to this specialized piece of equipment is not known but it does not appear to fit into the “production line” style of manufacture winchester was moving towards and may not be suited to pressing out with a press or drop hammer. It appears after the sale to Winchester these punches were never again made in Nappanoch. This may or may not be an accurate statement but I put it out there in an effort to get input from others who can add to this research. As an interesting piece of info this was posted in the Winchester thread here. The knife pictured is very similar to the scout ive shown here with a Honk stamp.
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Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:52 pm
by danno50
Great research, James, very interesting! ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:11 pm
by Jacknifeben
This could be one of the oldest Carmen punch blades?

Re: Honk Falls Knife Co. 1921-1929

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:56 pm
by JAMESC41001
Thanks Dan. JKB that is an early one. Probably 1907 according to the paper work. Thanks for posting a pic. Is that a Nap?