All About Pocket Knives

How about this Sqaure Deal, Clark-Smith Hdwe Peoria, ILL

galvanic1882 wrote:How about this Sqaure Deal, Clark-Smith Hdwe Peoria, ILL

Nice.
Never even heard of those guys before.

Square Deal?
Look at the Lawton Cutlery Co gunstock I posted about the other day. It's etched with that Square Deal Logo.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0361710742

Marked Chicago, though. How far from Peoria?
Charlie Noyes

I am all over it Charlie

Here's an Ulster I haven't seen before.

Keith

Awesome box Keith!

Here are a few more that I just picked up.

I got these 2 on ebay with about 55 knife blades and a bunch of liners and knife parts which I will be selling. The WR Case & Sons will be sold also but the Friedman & Lauterjung Electric Cutlery box will be in my collection for a long time. In the 20 plus years of looking for knives and knife related items I have never seen another F&L Electric knife box. This and the JBF Champlin box I have I think are 2 of the rarest ones I own.

It was fun to see all the people posting boxes in this thread.

Happy hunting to all.

Mike

Nice score Mike

Keith

Here's a nice little Cattaraugus Cutlery Co. box I was able to pick up in a trade with fellow AAPK member Another Knife Collector.

Thanks Phil

Keith

Here's a Schrade Cutlery Co. box that used to contain 1/2 doz. Model# 1553 3/4 Bone handled 4 1/4" single switchblades.

Keith

Here's a KA-BAR box I've had for years. Don't know anything about it. It has 6225 1/2 stamped for the No.
Also a Case 10-Dot, 1970, display case. It's all original. I got it from a hardware store going out of business in about 1980. They were just about to start selling all the knives out of the case when I walked in. Just in time to save it, I bought the whole thing. Mike

WOW!! GREAT display and a cool old box!

severecase wrote: I got it from a hardware store going out of business in about 1980. They were just about to start selling all the knives out of the case when I walked in. Just in time to save it, I bought the whole thing. Mike

GREAT TIMING!

Very nice boxes all. I have been looking for a Remington Boy Scout box for a while. They are red with gold lettering. Anyone have one to sell or trade ?

that case 10 dot knife case is great!the little price tags are awesome!

i love all types of knife displays.i love making them with ads and knife boxes and so forth.lots of the stuff you see here.
i also of course love factory displays.

i was wondering SEVER did you ever take the knives out of the case yet?i only ask becuase i know when i have seen cases like that opened
alot of the handles on the opposite side are faded.
just curious if you have enjoyed opening it
and if your knives got hit with the fade?
some fellaz i know prefer the fading on an old display knife becuase it helps to validate it was in a display.

how do you store this case display now? in the open,on a wall or is it hid away?
also just for fun would you mind telling me what
the most expensive knife in that case was in 1980?

thanx.

ALSO ATTACHED IS MY MOST RECENT PIECE OF COLLECTABLE PAPER!
it actually came with a recently purchased CSC knife.
it was the 2006 NHAC club knife.the paper came rolled up like a scroll in the box with the CSC sticker sealing it.

the signatures are real.the CSC guys sigs are cool but i thought it was really neat that the cutler signed it.

Hey Peter, Thanks for the interest. Actually the display is a counter display. The back opens up for storage.(see pics)
I even got the keys. The top section, screwed on, has to be removed to slide the board and the glass out the top. I've done this one time, right after I got it, just to clean the glass and the inside of the case. Actually, when I first got the display, I was new to collecting. Although, I did know enough not to touch anything on the board and did notice that the 3318 handle was fading and shrinking. It's gotten a whole lot worse over the years. (see pic). The 3354 is not too bad.
As for the storage, it is a collection, so I like to display it. I have it on a large book case in my office. When I'm not in, I keep all the blinds closed and lights off. And only minimal light when I'm in. If I need alot of light in the room, I'll cover it up. May help some.
As for the prices, the hardware store did a weird thing. They put the pattern numbers on the price tags rather than the prices.(see pics). I always thought the tag numbers were used to find the knife in the back of the display. My 1984 "W.R. Case & Sons Knives" by Sargent & Schleyer list the 6254 and 3254 at $60 and the 6375 and 6392 at $35. I don't know what the prices were at the hardware. When I ask the guy how much for the whole thing and he said $500, I ripped my back pocket getting to my wallet.
Several years later, my nephew gave me another identical display(1972), of course without the knives. Since I was then a 10-dot collector, but had no 10-dot stags, I decided to put a collection together. (see pic)
I also have a Case floor display. PM me sometime and we will talk.
I know this was too long, but you know how knife collectors are when you ask them about their collections.
Thanks for listening,
Mike

Beautiful display Mike!

I am not a Case collector and do not know a lot about them, but that 3318 would concern me. If that is celluloid, (and I don’t know if Case used celluloid then or not) I would be concerned that it might begin to off-gas and damage other knives in the display.

I am sure there are members on AAPK who can tell you if that knife is celluloid, (perhaps you know yourself), or some other composition material that shrinks. I would hate to see such an awesome display damaged by a knife with bad celluloid.

Here is a link to an article from OKCA, (Oregon Knife Collectors Association), about the dangers of celluloid decomposition. This article also appeared in Knife World in 2000.
http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/celluloid_02.html


Dale

hey bro first off i love long posts! their is never need for an apology.folks can choose to read it or not.this one is long!

NOW>>> i know much you would love to keep this display together.
trust me i understand.i love displays as much as the next guy.
i even make my own for fun.

before i go any further, its your display and you do with it what you will.{just being collector correct!}lol!

even if you plan on never selling it and passing it
on to your kids you should take pics of it,take the knives out
and store seperatly.

as DALE pointed out and unfortunalty i have learned hands on
celluloid can destroy not just your knives but pretty much anything it comes in contact with.also once it starts nothing slows it down or stops it.
also gassing cell effects everything...
over time it will pit the blades, the sheaths in their will crumble,the little white id tags will yellow up and shrink,even the glue will loosen and the tags will start to fall off.celluloid will eat the wood handles,the wood case its in will have some areas that start to splinter{they say gassing cell can eat through finsihses even on wood.remember to that knife is pretty much sealed in their.that gas just floats around and around hurting all it touches.

its a simple question you have to ask yourself mike.
do you wanna always have that collection look how it looks.
which mean breaking it down,logging the knives taking good pics for easy memory. its not so hard.

you can leave it how it is but you already see that one knife.
eventually that knife will have no handles left.

in the end this will effect what it is worth of course.
years from now if you do decide to sell it{you never know what can happen} or whatever it will be worth alot more if you
have stored it seperate and that place it all back for the sale.


even if your not worried about the monetary value.
im talking simpy about what you like now.the value of just having a nice,full,original display.
im talking about 10-20-30 yrs from now
setting it back up for display and all the knives looking the same way they did when you got the display.

hey mike this is all just my 2 cents.well maybe a few pennies more!

i just love displays.hardware store displays at that.

EDIT-i would get those sheaths off the fixed blades to.someone jump in on this if im wrong but an older fella i know who says "a fixed blade knife is a real knife,everything else is for cleaning finger nails"...i always thought that was funny.anyway he stores all his sheaths and blades seperate.he told me treated leather has oils in it that can effect steal. anybody know this to be true?

peterforce wrote: EDIT-i would get those sheaths off the fixed blades to.someone jump in on this if im wrong but an older fella i know who says "a fixed blade knife is a real knife,everything else is for cleaning finger nails"...i always thought that was funny.anyway he stores all his sheaths and blades seperate.he told me treated leather has oils in it that can effect steal. anybody know this to be true?

Pete-
Leather that is tanned with animal products can cause the development of 'verdigris'.
Verdigris is a green deposit on the brass rivets or guards of a knife (or sheath) caused from something in the leather attacking the brass. It can eventually damage the brass.
Basically it is copper carbonate or copper chloride or copper acetate, depending which chemicals/salts are present in the leather. A reaction between the that cause the leaching of the copper from the brass.

Some makers use only the more expensive vegetable tanned leather to avoid verdigris.

Dale

More info on verdigris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdigris

hey DALE thank you. hey DALE or anyone else that wants to jump in.

if you look at the sheaths the one laying under the folder
right at where the flap is bent it looks wet.is that something forming
or is that whatever was used to treat the sheaths evaporating?

also MIKE after looking at the little white tags i would say their were a few reasons they did what they did. no prices and all.

my guess is it was for a few reasons.
first off the most important reason would be price changing.
if case lowered their prices or local competition
forced price chages it was easier to just change it on a piece of paper then to conastantly chnage the prices.
thats wny you have the little numbers above case numbers.
you would just go to the counter and ask by number.

also case knives had become a collectable by this point and
folks would come in looking by model number.
so this setup was the simplest at the time this board was being used.customer comes in,sees case pattern number they are looking for,coincides it with hardwares number and yells to clerk "how much for 2 number 27s."

Hey Dale and Peter, I appreciate all of your interest, input and good suggestions. I am going to take the 3318 and the 3254 off the board and do some close looking at the fixed blades. I had heard about the effects of celluloid on the metal parts, but I thought the highly corrosive celluloid had stopped being used in the 1950's. I thought that the black and yellow composition used by Case in the 60's and later had no adverse problems other than shrinkage and discoloration. I didn't know it was chemically unstable and gave off corrosive gasses also. Anyway. I will be doing some research and let y'all know the results. I probably will start another thread on the subject with some pics of my findings. We've kinda gotten off the subject of this one.
I would still welcome any comments from anyone else.

Thanks again,

Mike

I couldn't resist this little Argyle box at the Easton show for $4!!
I would love to see the tiny knives that were in it.
The La Belle box next to it is big enough for six 3 1/2" cattle knives, so I wonder what knives are small enough, so that six could be squeezed into that little box!

upnorth wrote:I couldn't resist this little Argyle box at the Easton show for $4!!
I would love to see the tiny knives that were in it.
I wonder what knives are small enough, so that six could be squeezed into that little box!

How about six of these little pearls?

I have lots of these little guys, fancy bolsters and pearl handles are the norm from this company. I show two, one with the fancy handles and one with the plain pearl.

Charlie, I`ll double your money on that little knife box!

Cool !
Argyle box, then some knives!! I had never heard of the brand until I got the box.
Nice ones Dimitri! 2 1/2" would be the limit for the box; would they fit??