Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
Hi all,
First post here, I just recently started getting into traditional's and wanted to get an older S&M. I saw this on ebay and bought it. I never even thought about vintage counterfeit slipjoints till i saw these threads and got myself worried. What do you guys think of this?
First post here, I just recently started getting into traditional's and wanted to get an older S&M. I saw this on ebay and bought it. I never even thought about vintage counterfeit slipjoints till i saw these threads and got myself worried. What do you guys think of this?
Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
I'm no Schatt & Morgan expert, but, I'd say original. Handle material is shrinking, in my mind it needs to be re-scaled, several skilled folks here could help you out, if you choose that route.
Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
No expert here either. It is a nice looking knife and welcome to AAPK.
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Welcome to AAPK. Nice looking knife.
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I say legit. They are shrunken a little, but I love the handles.
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Welcome to AAPK. Glad to have you aboard.
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"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
Thank you for the welcome guys,
Good eye i did not notice that, however i have another S&M that is also all caps, i just checked it, all four blades are stamped all caps too. I would definitely like some other people to way in on this.
Good eye i did not notice that, however i have another S&M that is also all caps, i just checked it, all four blades are stamped all caps too. I would definitely like some other people to way in on this.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
Didn't Queen use that stamp (with the all caps "TITUSVILLE") on some of their S&M knives?
(not my knife - I pulled this pic off ebay)
(not my knife - I pulled this pic off ebay)
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
yes they did but there would be a stamp on the other side as far as i know. Usually "DFC" for Daniel Family CutleryTwoFlowersLuggage wrote:Didn't Queen use that stamp (with the all caps "TITUSVILLE") on some of their S&M knives?
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(not my knife - I pulled this pic off ebay)
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@Simeone Tang stamps should only ever be used as a guide and not 100% Gospel on a knife's authenticity - Tang Stamps get changed up all the time for special runs etc. From your pictures I would say the knife started out as Genuine & it's modern not pre 1932 ...but it appears to be re-handled as none of the pins are spun (Domed) and the shield is (???) The pile side may never have been stamped or could have been cleaned off when it was re-handled. There was a Heritage series that used that shield .... but .......
This is a Genuine S&M ... same tang stamp as yours - note the shield - most (not all) S&M of the modern era have this shield. The other side of that Blade And the pen blade that is only marked on one side Absolutely my knife is genuine as it was gifted to me by one K. Ryan Daniels
Derek
This is a Genuine S&M ... same tang stamp as yours - note the shield - most (not all) S&M of the modern era have this shield. The other side of that Blade And the pen blade that is only marked on one side Absolutely my knife is genuine as it was gifted to me by one K. Ryan Daniels
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
Why did you write it off as not pre 32? Because most of the old S&M's i have seen have flat pins, and this shield is on half the knives in there old catalog from back then.Brumbydownunder wrote:@Simeone Tang stamps should only ever be used as a guide and not 100% Gospel on a knife's authenticity - Tang Stamps get changed up all the time for special runs etc. From your pictures I would say the knife started out as Genuine & it's modern not pre 1932 ...but it appears to be re-handled as none of the pins are spun (Domed) and the shield is (???) The pile side may never have been stamped or could have been cleaned off when it was re-handled. There was a Heritage series that used that shield .... but .......
This is a Genuine S&M ... same tang stamp as yours - note the shield - most (not all) S&M of the modern era have this shield.
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The other side of that Blade
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And the pen blade that is only marked on one side
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Absolutely my knife is genuine as it was gifted to me by one K. Ryan Daniels
Derek
Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
Here are two pictures from Jim Sargents 6th Edition page 314 which shows a knife similar to the op's.
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I don't collect Shatt & Morgan as a brand so I won't be able to answer any Schatt & Morgan questions, but I happen to have a couple of examples in patterns that I collect in case pictures might be helpful.
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Authentic. Pre-WWII.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?
I say OP knife is all original. It has not been worked on like re-handled etc. Obviously from examples shown S&M did have stamping dies with TITUSVILLE all in caps.
You are correct to be concerned about re-worked/fake vintage knives. They do exist so it is best to examine every knife closely before buying. Good pictures are how we mostly 'examine' now. Be wary of out of focus pictures.
kj
You are correct to be concerned about re-worked/fake vintage knives. They do exist so it is best to examine every knife closely before buying. Good pictures are how we mostly 'examine' now. Be wary of out of focus pictures.
kj