Old knife

Sixpak74 · Post by **Sixpak74** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:48 pm

Found this old dagger. Says Jonathan Crookes on the blade, if anyone has any info on it I would appreciate it.

jerryd6818 · Post by **jerryd6818** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:09 pm

Interesting. Blade has the look of a Fairbairn Sykes Commando Dagger.

americanedgetech · Post by **americanedgetech** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:17 pm

https://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=jo ... rmvSB=true

Apparently his knifes will demand a premium price.
Looking at YOUR knife I would have to say that it has a pencil thin tang, and "I" wouldn't pay a premium for it.
Just my mechanics point of view.

He is a high demand maker tho...

Quick Steel · Post by **Quick Steel** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:20 am

Sixpack: Hope you can find more information on the knife. It is interesting. I find the handle somewhat odd for the style of blade.

Sixpak74 · Post by **Sixpak74** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:21 am

Quick Steel wrote:Sixpack: Hope you can find more information on the knife. It is interesting. I find the handle somewhat odd for the style of blade.

Going to work on that. All I know for sure is it’s been hanging on a wall at my father n laws for at least 50 years.

Sixpak74 · Post by **Sixpak74** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:21 am

jerryd6818 wrote:Interesting. Blade has the look of a Fairbairn Sykes Commando Dagger.

Thanks

gsmith7158 · Post by **gsmith7158** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:50 am

The handle looks like one from an old carving set.

philco · Post by **philco** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:39 am

I'm skeptical of that one. It just doesn't pass the sniff test.

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:29 am

Interesting as it looks like a "German Export Dagger" from very early 1900's. See LG4 pg. 455 & 466. However Jonathan Crookes is an old Sheffield knife manufacturer, 1780-1827. Jonathan Crookes & Son 1827 - "present"(1994 ?)
Can you make out "& Son" after "Crookes" ?
I think this could well be all original with Crookes & Son copying the "German Export Dagger".
And during early 1990's some Sheffield cutlery manufacturers actually contracted out to Solingen manufacturers and the knives were marked as per Sheffield company. This could be one of them but a real expert in vintage British & German daggers is needed to assess this.
kj

terryl308 · Post by **terryl308** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:23 pm

sixpack, Looks ok to me, nice old vintage stag handle. Goins' Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings says the same as KJ reported. Value is a little hard to come up because I haven't seen any sell. If I was to make a guess, I would put it in the $100 range?

Terry

Sixpak74 · Post by **Sixpak74** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:28 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Interesting as it looks like a "German Export Dagger" from very early 1900's. See LG4 pg. 455 & 466. However Jonathan Crookes is an old Sheffield knife manufacturer, 1780-1827. Jonathan Crookes & Son 1827 - "present"(1994 ?)
Can you make out "& Son" after "Crookes" ?
I think this could well be all original with Crookes & Son copying the "German Export Dagger".
And during early 1990's some Sheffield cutlery manufacturers actually contracted out to Solingen manufacturers and the knives were marked as per Sheffield company. This could be one of them but a real expert in vintage British & German daggers is needed to assess this.
kj

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:12 pm

Very clear markings !
Jonathan Crookes became "& Son" in 1827, however i doubt this knife is older than 1827.
In 1907 Joseph Allen & Sons, also a Sheffield knife manufacturer, bought out 'Crookes' and thus had the rights to all trademarks associated with the Jonathan Crookes & Son business.
My guess is that this knife was likely made by Joseph Allen company sometime not long after 1907 and was marked with the original Jonathan Crookes markings.
There is still the possibility that J. Allen contracted this knife out to a Solingen manufacturer as it is a German pattern from early 1900's.
Note: i am an amateur in all things 'knife'. It would be helpful to hear from someone more knowledgeable about vintage Sheffield fixed blades.
What i can say with some certainty is: it is a very nice knife, one i would be very pleased to own as i'm sure would many others here.
kj

Sixpak74 · Post by **Sixpak74** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:39 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Very clear markings !
Jonathan Crookes became "& Son" in 1827, however i doubt this knife is older than 1827.
In 1907 Joseph Allen & Sons, also a Sheffield knife manufacturer, bought out 'Crookes' and thus had the rights to all trademarks associated with the Jonathan Crookes & Son business.
My guess is that this knife was likely made by Joseph Allen company sometime not long after 1907 and was marked with the original Jonathan Crookes markings.
There is still the possibility that J. Allen contracted this knife out to a Solingen manufacturer as it is a German pattern from early 1900's.
Note: i am an amateur in all things 'knife'. It would be helpful to hear from someone more knowledgeable about vintage Sheffield fixed blades.
What i can say with some certainty is: it is a very nice knife, one i would be very pleased to own as i'm sure would many others here.
kj

Thank you.

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