Research not making sense

[Rtustin]

I have a knife that doesn't seem to add up. It is stamped R4283 and a little searching tells me it is a "sowbelly". However the shield I see in the pictures has a different shield than the acorn like I have. My father was a collector and I inherited his collection 20 years ago. I remember him telling me it was a rare knife. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[OSCAR]

It seems you have an extremely rare knife indeed.
This is the Holy Grail of Remington knives. Five bladed sowbelly If you do search for Remington R4283, they are sought by collectors and depending on condition, they sell for about $2,000. Hope this helps.

[1967redrider]

No punch blade, I'm afraid someone may have made this who's not named Remington.

"Not all punch bladed folders have an acorn shield (Scouts, for example), but all acorn shielded folders have a punch blade."

[OSCAR]

No punch blade, I'm afraid someone may have made this who's not named Remington.

"Not all punch bladed folders have an acorn shield (Scouts, for example), but all acorn shielded folders have a punch blade."

I wasn’t aware of acorn shields all having punch blades. Then again, I’m not the greatest expert.
I thought it would be a Remington but given the going prices on R2483, it may be a counterfeit ? Or they made different versions with different shields. A search turned up this and others like it.

[Ridgegrass]

Levine shows that same pattern on p. 262 of his 3rd. Edition. Could it be mis-shielded or rebuilt ?Factory mistake? It looks pretty good, but the acorn should have a punch. J.O'

[Rtustin]

It is definitely a Remington. All blades are stamped, and the main blade has Remington etched on it. Again, the concern I have is the knives I see listed as the same stamped knife have a different badge. I can’t imagine it is any sort of counterfeit, I have personally known of it’s existence for 40 years. And yes, I have read that all acorn badge knives have a punch blade which this one clearly does not. I am wondering if in it’s history the handle with the badge could have been replaced? Is there a sowbelly knife that had the acorn badge that would fit this knife exactly?

[1967redrider]

What's that 5 blade with the punch and acorn shield right above the Sowbelly in J.O.'s picture? The page is distorted.

[Paladin]

I believe this one might be worth the trouble and expense to send it to Levine for evaluation.

Ray

[OSCAR]

It is definitely a Remington. All blades are stamped, and the main blade has Remington etched on it. Again, the concern I have is the knives I see listed as the same stamped knife have a different badge. I can’t imagine it is any sort of counterfeit, I have personally known of it’s existence for 40 years. And yes, I have read that all acorn badge knives have a punch blade which this one clearly does not. I am wondering if in it’s history the handle with the badge could have been replaced? Is there a sowbelly knife that had the acorn badge that would fit this knife exactly?

That’s entirely possible. The model number you have does show a different shield on all the pictures I’ve seen, but they may have changed it. Whatever the reason for this shield, I’m pretty sure you have a very valuable knife.

[FRJ]

What's that 5 blade with the punch and acorn shield right above the Sowbelly in J.O.'s picture? The page is distorted.

There is a designation for it in the text just below the two 5 blade knives.
Square end, $1,000 -- Humpback, $1500.

[Mumbleypeg]

What's that 5 blade with the punch and acorn shield right above the Sowbelly in J.O.'s picture? The page is distorted.

There is a designation for it in the text just below the two 5 blade knives.
Square end, $1,000 -- Humpback, $1500.

Note the square end knife has an acorn shield and a punch, as it should have.

I’m no expert, especially on Remingtons. I will say just because it’s been in a collection over 40 years means nothing. People were collecting Remington pocket knives 50 years ago (I knew some). And people were making fakes 50 years ago (I bought some ). Not saying the knife is fake, just that it having been in a collection that long doesn’t absolve it. I agree sending it to Levine for verification (or not) is a good way to find out. If he verifies it you’ll have documentation. JMO

Ken

[1967redrider]

What's that 5 blade with the punch and acorn shield right above the Sowbelly in J.O.'s picture? The page is distorted.

There is a designation for it in the text just below the two 5 blade knives.
Square end, $1,000 -- Humpback, $1500.

I saw that but was wondering what the pattern might happen to be?

[stockman]

There are several topknotch Remington collectors on AAPK. Hopefully they will see your post. Harold

[btrwtr]

Strange knife. The bone is pretty light in color for most Reminton knives. All the Remington sowbelly knives that do not have punch blades have the funny looking hourglass type shield as seen in the catalog cut that Ridge showed. Of all the parts needed to effectively cobble up such a knife the real and original shield night be the hardest to find. Given that putting a acorn shield on a punch blade knife should have been a very basic and understood manufacturing proceedure for Remington workers I find it hard to believe the knife left the factory with an acorn shield. Better pictures, especially a detailed pic of the pattern number stamp would help.

[Rtustin]

The more I look at it the more I think the badge side of the handle has been replaced at some point. The handle color does not exactly match from one side to the other. The rivets that hold it on don’t seem to be as neatly applied either. So maybe the questions are:
1. Is there an exact matched handle that could be swapped?
2. How does this potentially effect the value of what otherwise seems to be a fairly valuable knife?
I don’t necessarily want to sell the knife but one always wants to know the value of what you have.

Thanks all for your info and comments.

[btrwtr]

Yes, there is a punch blade handle that would match. Hard to determine if the knife is in any way authentic without better pictures. Pictures of the pattern stamp would help.

[Ridgegrass]

The knife above the one in my post has a less pronounced "belly",just a little more pronounced than a stockman, and is square-bolstered and doesn't appear to have any interchangeable parts with the OP. Different color bone can be due to fading when lying one side to the light for a long time. I'd compare the jigging carefully on either side. IMHO your knife leans more toward authentic, but again, I agree more and clearer pics could help.
Good luck with it. I'm betting a lot of us are just a tad envious. J.O'.

[Rtustin]

I will take some better photos when I get home tonight.

Thanks.

[btrwtr]

Here is another catalog cut.

[Rtustin]

Here are some hopefully better pictures.

[kootenay joe]

On the front handle at the 2 blade end it looks like there are 2 handle pins touching each other. Picture artifact ?
kj

[Rtustin]

Your eyes are not deceiving you. There are two. One larger than the other. The smaller of the two has an indent on the bone around it like a mis-strike when it went in. On that side as well the middle one is a bit misshapen as well. Doesn’t have a great fit. The last one on that side appears as it should.

[stockman]

That mark side handle does look a little funny. Harold

[Ridgegrass]

One thing's for sure, that old knife is getting more scrutiny than the Mona Lisa ! Gotta love AAPK! J.O'.

[btrwtr]

Other than the handles looking a bit less than typical Remington and the noted incorrect shield I can't see much wrong with knife. The handle center pins look like they were spun too deep on both sides. The front left handle pin looks like one single pin that has had part of the head spun off and almost separated from the pin. Hard to really say any more without seeing it first hand. Could the knife have had a different set of handles installed at some time??????