9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

In 1911, H. N. Platts, was able to draw on his extensive friendships and family connections in the cutlery world to start Western States Cutlery and Manufacturing of Boulder Colorado. At first only a jobbing business, by 1920 construction and machinery purchases were underway to begin manufacture of knives. Through name changes--to Western States Cutlery Co. in 1953, then Western Cutlery Co. in 1956--and moves first across town and later to Longmont Colorado, the company stayed under the leadership of the Platt family until 1984. In that year, the company was sold to Coleman, becoming Coleman-Western. Eventually purchased by Camillus in 1991, Western continued until Camillus expired in 2007.
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9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby orvet » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:21 am

I picked up this Western recently and I usually can find most models in Harvey Platts book, but I am not sure what I have here.
Overall length is 9 inches and blade length is 5 inches. The guard is steel; the handle is of course leather and the pommel aluminum. The fuller in the blade is obvious and I cannot find a knife that corresponds to this in Harvey Platts book. The closest I have been able to figure it is this might be the 5 inch version of the L77 I saw listed on page 151, but the 5 inch L77 has an S guard.
I suppose it could also be a G-46-5” but again the guard is different and the G-46-5” has a lanyard hole in the pommel.

I would appreciate any help for any suggestions anyone can give me on this knife. It’s about the perfect size for an all-around hunting and camp knife.

Thank you in advance for your input.

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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby zzyzzogeton » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:30 pm

Dale, what you have there is indeed a WW2 vintage G46-5, most likely mid to late 1942, since it has an aluminum pommel and a steel guard.

You are thinking of the G46-6 that has a lanyard hole and full guard.

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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby orvet » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:50 pm

Thank you ZZ I was hoping you would reply on this topic.

Is this the knife H.M. Cole refers to as the “small shark” or other people refer to as “baby shark?”

I appreciate your expertise on Western knives and your willingness to share it.
I especially appreciate the specific information on this knife. Thanks again. ::handshake::
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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby Producer » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:41 pm

Wow Dale!
That is excellent. :)
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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby zzyzzogeton » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:51 pm

Yes, that is the "Baby Shark".

If you ever encounter a Shark or Baby Shark with a brass guard, then it is a post-WW2 version.

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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby Producer » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:01 pm

This is one my son's Westerns. 5" blade, with lanyard hole etc.
Shown with three #36's for scale.
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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby zzyzzogeton » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:06 pm

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That Baby Shark with the lanyard hole -- is that guard aluminum rather than steel? In the picture, the guard appears thicker than a typical steel guard.

True factory drilled lanyard holes on the Baby Shark are seldom seen. How about some close up pics of the stamp and pommel, please. I can't get a good read on the stamp in the pic of the 3rd line when I enlarge the pic. I can see the "Pat", but not the rest. Is it a string of numers or is it "Made in USA"?

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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby Producer » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:21 pm

zzyzzogeton wrote:Producer

That Baby Shark with the lanyard hole -- is that guard aluminum rather than steel? In the picture, the guard appears thicker than a typical steel guard.

True factory drilled lanyard holes on the Baby Shark are seldom seen. How about some close up pics of the stamp and pommel, please. I can't get a good read on the stamp in the pic of the 3rd line when I enlarge the pic. I can see the "Pat", but not the rest. Is it a string of numers or is it "Made in USA"?

ZZ, thanks. My son says it says " Western, Boulder Colo, patd, Made in the USA.
Hole appears factory drilled.
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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby zzyzzogeton » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:36 pm

The "Made in the USA" indicates it was made AFTER WW2.

Very few of the wartime G46-5s had lanyard holes. I suspect that the few running around were part of a special order that requested lanyard holes. None of the wartime Westerns had aluminum guards and the aluminum pommels on 46-5s transitioned to a brown swirl plastic.

Western (and all the other knife manufacturers) put everything they had after the war was over and they were left holding the bag on runs in production into civilian sales.

The G46-5s and G46-6s of the early 1950s had brass guards. Brass was a little slower in being released for civilian products than aluminum, so
I would say that your son's knife is a 1946 to 1949 version. Long enough after August 1945 that aluminum had become available again, but not before Western ran out of pre-drilled G46-6 pommels.

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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby Producer » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:39 pm

zzyzzogeton wrote:The "Made in the USA" indicates it was made AFTER WW2.

Very few of the wartime G46-5s had lanyard holes. I suspect that the few running around were part of a special order that requested lanyard holes. None of the wartime Westerns had aluminum guards and the aluminum pommels on 46-5s transitioned to a brown swirl plastic.

Western (and all the other knife manufacturers) put everything they had after the war was over and they were left holding the bag on runs in production into civilian sales.

The G46-5s and G46-6s of the early 1950s had brass guards. Brass was a little slower in being released for civilian products than aluminum, so
I would say that your son's knife is a 1946 to 1949 version. Long enough after August 1945 that aluminum had become available again, but not before Western ran out of pre-drilled G46-6 pommels.

It is a rare bird.

Thanks ZZ. Just got home and we put a magnet to the guard and it sticks- that's steel.
The pommel is aluminum.
It is a nice older Western ::tu::
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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby zzyzzogeton » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:05 pm

OK - Steel guard, Made in the USA stamp = late 1940s for sure, scarce but not "rare". The factory lanyard hole is what makes that one a rare one.

Does he have the original sheaths? Curious the see what came with them (if any did).

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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby Producer » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:38 pm

zzyzzogeton wrote:OK - Steel guard, Made in the USA stamp = late 1940s for sure, scarce but not "rare". The factory lanyard hole is what makes that one a rare one.

Does he have the original sheaths? Curious the see what came with them (if any did).

First off, sorry Dale, for hijacking this thread. :oops:
Next up- yes, He has the sheath and it does appear original [imho].
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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby zzyzzogeton » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:11 am

Sheath is definitely correct.

Western sheaths used rivets and double-stitch construction. The sheath also confirms post-WW2. If you look at the retention strap, there is a square wave circling the outer edge of the female snap. WW2 era snaps were smooth.

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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby orvet » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:56 am

No problem Producer, class is in session and I am here to learn too.
I have another.baby shark with a brass guard. I will try and get pics tomorrow.

Thanks again ZZ for sharing your knowledge with us! ::tu::
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Re: 9 inch Fullered Western with 5 inch Blade - What Model is This?

Postby orvet » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:44 am

Here are the two knives side by side.

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The top one has been badly abused with a Scotch Brite wheel I suspect before I got it.
It has the double sided brass guard. Was that a later model?
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