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I'm not so sure that the material the bearing is made from would help.
Ceramic may out live bearing steel but grit in the races is still a blockage that the bearings either have to crush or push aside.
My thought is they are using a sealed bearing similar to these...
It would make for a faster assembly, easier machining, and less cost in the end as well as a consistently smooth action.
If you double click my images, you'll see all that crud in the pivot area but the action is just like the day I un-boxed it.
I'll have to open it up to see...
Ceramic may out live bearing steel but grit in the races is still a blockage that the bearings either have to crush or push aside.
My thought is they are using a sealed bearing similar to these...
It would make for a faster assembly, easier machining, and less cost in the end as well as a consistently smooth action.
If you double click my images, you'll see all that crud in the pivot area but the action is just like the day I un-boxed it.
I'll have to open it up to see...
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I am on a search for the "Best Value" in the Chinese tactical style folding knives.
My introduction to these knives came in 2008 with the gift of a SanRenMu 710 which looks a lot like a small Sebenza. It cost $10 and is simply an incredibly good knife in all regards. They are still being made as the 0710 and cost now is about $15, delivered.
More recently many more China made tactical style knives have shown in a wide range of prices, up to $900 for a carbon handle Reate.
Here are 3 knives in mid range for prices. I paid $60, $75 & $100 for these knives:
Real Steel T101 "Thor", 4.75" closed, 14C28N steel & G10 handles
Real Steel G3 "Puukko", 4.75" closed, 14C28N steel blade and 3Cr14N steel handles
WE 703F, 4.6" closed, D2 steel and G10 handles.
All 3 are fine precision made sharp knives that likely will out live their owners and still be fully functional.
But, how do they compare with the $10 SRM 710 ?. Blade steel is different. I know the SRM 710 blade holds it's shaving sharp edge a long time and then re-sharpens easily, in 5 minutes. There is not that much room for improvement here. The more expensive 3 might edge hold longer ? The 710 already scores highly on this. You don't really need longer edge holding than that provided by the 710.
I have not used these 3 'mid price' knives but all feel fine in hand and all function just as expected and zero blade play.
My impression is that for the price you get a lot of knife with these mid range price knives and if you like the looks of one go for it. You will not be disappointed.
But value wise the 710 is the winner by far. The cost is anywhere from 1/6th to 1/10th the price of the 'mid's' and the cutting ability, hand comfort are basically equivalent.
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My introduction to these knives came in 2008 with the gift of a SanRenMu 710 which looks a lot like a small Sebenza. It cost $10 and is simply an incredibly good knife in all regards. They are still being made as the 0710 and cost now is about $15, delivered.
More recently many more China made tactical style knives have shown in a wide range of prices, up to $900 for a carbon handle Reate.
Here are 3 knives in mid range for prices. I paid $60, $75 & $100 for these knives:
Real Steel T101 "Thor", 4.75" closed, 14C28N steel & G10 handles
Real Steel G3 "Puukko", 4.75" closed, 14C28N steel blade and 3Cr14N steel handles
WE 703F, 4.6" closed, D2 steel and G10 handles.
All 3 are fine precision made sharp knives that likely will out live their owners and still be fully functional.
But, how do they compare with the $10 SRM 710 ?. Blade steel is different. I know the SRM 710 blade holds it's shaving sharp edge a long time and then re-sharpens easily, in 5 minutes. There is not that much room for improvement here. The more expensive 3 might edge hold longer ? The 710 already scores highly on this. You don't really need longer edge holding than that provided by the 710.
I have not used these 3 'mid price' knives but all feel fine in hand and all function just as expected and zero blade play.
My impression is that for the price you get a lot of knife with these mid range price knives and if you like the looks of one go for it. You will not be disappointed.
But value wise the 710 is the winner by far. The cost is anywhere from 1/6th to 1/10th the price of the 'mid's' and the cutting ability, hand comfort are basically equivalent.
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Here are another 2 knives this time 'upper end of Low priced' China knives. I paid $28 for each, shipped. Both are marked "LAND" which is a SanRenMu brand.
Land 9046, 12C27 steel Rc 58-59, G10 handle with hex wrench insert, 4.75" closed, 150 grams weight(5.3 ounces)
Land 9052, 12C27 steel Rc 58-59, G10 handle, 4.33" closed, 108 grams weight(3.8 ounces)
Again, both are fine knives that function exactly as you hope for. Blade grinds are exactly perfectly even(thanks Robot) and thin enough to be a great slicer, but still rigid and not at all flimsy. A solid blade.
Everything to Love, nothing to dislike and less than $30, delivered. Wow !
However SRM 710 is just as excellent and costs about half.
Basically, all of these knives i show are excellent. Price is not a factor in quality. But what speaks to you the most.
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Land 9046, 12C27 steel Rc 58-59, G10 handle with hex wrench insert, 4.75" closed, 150 grams weight(5.3 ounces)
Land 9052, 12C27 steel Rc 58-59, G10 handle, 4.33" closed, 108 grams weight(3.8 ounces)
Again, both are fine knives that function exactly as you hope for. Blade grinds are exactly perfectly even(thanks Robot) and thin enough to be a great slicer, but still rigid and not at all flimsy. A solid blade.
Everything to Love, nothing to dislike and less than $30, delivered. Wow !
However SRM 710 is just as excellent and costs about half.
Basically, all of these knives i show are excellent. Price is not a factor in quality. But what speaks to you the most.
kj
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Loving the scales on that Real Steel!
It's a darn shame that the U.S. can not compete in the low cost knife market.
We have so many brilliant designers., access to everything the Chinese have, and a built in market right here at home. The sad part is I can afford to sell these Chinese knives because I can afford to buy them. Wholesale accounts are as easy to get as placing an order.
If I want to retail Spydee, Case, any of the Taylor brands, ect... I need a bank loan to establish an account, and I'm just one of THOUSANDS of retailers fighting to make a few pennies profit.
Well, while the Chinese are building their economy, infrastructure, and major cities supported by inexpensive export items... we can tout how superior our system is. Yep! I think we got them on that one!
That's a great bunch of knives KJ. I hope more people catch on to the fact that China is a major player in the knife market, and they are keeping prices affordable for us. Especially in the work horse tactical market. I can afford to actually use their knives.
It's a darn shame that the U.S. can not compete in the low cost knife market.
We have so many brilliant designers., access to everything the Chinese have, and a built in market right here at home. The sad part is I can afford to sell these Chinese knives because I can afford to buy them. Wholesale accounts are as easy to get as placing an order.
If I want to retail Spydee, Case, any of the Taylor brands, ect... I need a bank loan to establish an account, and I'm just one of THOUSANDS of retailers fighting to make a few pennies profit.
Well, while the Chinese are building their economy, infrastructure, and major cities supported by inexpensive export items... we can tout how superior our system is. Yep! I think we got them on that one!
That's a great bunch of knives KJ. I hope more people catch on to the fact that China is a major player in the knife market, and they are keeping prices affordable for us. Especially in the work horse tactical market. I can afford to actually use their knives.
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The belief that "Made in China" = low quality is now 10-20 years out of date. There are some 'junky' Chinese knives for sale because they produce a full range of quality from very low to very high. Why defies our logic is how can a knife be any good when it costs around $10 ? I think the answer is automation. What is done by hand in a USA knife manufacturing factory is done by laser controlled robotic machines. This allows for very precise work & a much greater volume of work than when done by human hands.
The upper end of China made production knives like the exquisite HanWei gent's style knives, or the Reate tactical style, might be 'Best of Group' worldwide at this point in time.
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The upper end of China made production knives like the exquisite HanWei gent's style knives, or the Reate tactical style, might be 'Best of Group' worldwide at this point in time.
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I agree with you absolutely!
Where I have an issue is that we can buy the machinery from China cheaper than we can make it here, to build quality knives that we will no longer have to import, and complain about.
It's actually cheaper to buy the machines, set up a facility, and run knives out the door than it is to hire 30 people to hand build knives in an old warehouse. The profit margin is higher, the quality is as high or better, and the return on investment is faster when you automate, and there are STILL plenty of jobs. Actually there are more good jobs available then there are people willing to work (but that is another topic)
The business model is proven, yet we as Americans stubbornly deny these facts.
I actually get a little miffed when folks defend the high cost of an American made knife that is actually no better than an import costing 1/10th as much. Mystery steel? Babies in chains hammering tang stamps? Handles made from toxic waste?
Excuses! Plain, and simple...
America made it's own problems, and the solutions are clear. Work as a Nation to produce the finest items available at a REASONABLE cost to the consumer.
It's either that OR continue to get rich, fat, and lazy all the while complaining about the other guy that is doing a better job.
Sorry if this sounds political because it is not meant in that spirit. Knives are just one of a billion examples of how the other guy has it right, and we as Americans try to deny this as fact.
Where I have an issue is that we can buy the machinery from China cheaper than we can make it here, to build quality knives that we will no longer have to import, and complain about.
It's actually cheaper to buy the machines, set up a facility, and run knives out the door than it is to hire 30 people to hand build knives in an old warehouse. The profit margin is higher, the quality is as high or better, and the return on investment is faster when you automate, and there are STILL plenty of jobs. Actually there are more good jobs available then there are people willing to work (but that is another topic)
The business model is proven, yet we as Americans stubbornly deny these facts.
I actually get a little miffed when folks defend the high cost of an American made knife that is actually no better than an import costing 1/10th as much. Mystery steel? Babies in chains hammering tang stamps? Handles made from toxic waste?
Excuses! Plain, and simple...
America made it's own problems, and the solutions are clear. Work as a Nation to produce the finest items available at a REASONABLE cost to the consumer.
It's either that OR continue to get rich, fat, and lazy all the while complaining about the other guy that is doing a better job.
Sorry if this sounds political because it is not meant in that spirit. Knives are just one of a billion examples of how the other guy has it right, and we as Americans try to deny this as fact.
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Well stated,Facts are facts.
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Here are 3 examples of nice Chinese knives.
HanWei Gent's knife with abalone inlay marked "Rock Creek"
Colt CT274 which basically is a SanRenMu 710 with blue bone inlays. Super nice EDC
HanWei "Citizen" knife, what every citizen needs.
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HanWei Gent's knife with abalone inlay marked "Rock Creek"
Colt CT274 which basically is a SanRenMu 710 with blue bone inlays. Super nice EDC
HanWei "Citizen" knife, what every citizen needs.
kj
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Thank's WayneD,
I try to avoid the politics, and emotional investment that some have in this topic so I sort of egg shell my approach... to a point!
KJ, you have great taste in knives sir.
I do not mean where or whom, I mean the style of the knives you like. Utilitarian to a point but good looking knives to boot.
I own a few tactical style knives just to have them but they are not my favorites. I won't name the brands to avoid the issues.
The few Ganzo's that I have I love, the fewer Sanrenmu knives I like just as much. They are sort of "Classy Tactical".
The last one you posted... The HanWet "Citizen". It's on my list now. I have a thing for solid, short blades. The shape of the handles, and the blade just flow right. I like it!
I try to avoid the politics, and emotional investment that some have in this topic so I sort of egg shell my approach... to a point!
KJ, you have great taste in knives sir.
I do not mean where or whom, I mean the style of the knives you like. Utilitarian to a point but good looking knives to boot.
I own a few tactical style knives just to have them but they are not my favorites. I won't name the brands to avoid the issues.
The few Ganzo's that I have I love, the fewer Sanrenmu knives I like just as much. They are sort of "Classy Tactical".
The last one you posted... The HanWet "Citizen". It's on my list now. I have a thing for solid, short blades. The shape of the handles, and the blade just flow right. I like it!
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Hi, All:
In the interest of keeping the folks of this forum informed. Today, I was partially awarded compensation, by E-Bay, for one of two knives that I bought and paid for, four months ago. One of the Knives I was beat out of, entirely, and the other I never received. I would like to tell the folks on this forum, and this thread, how Supremely satisfied that I am with one particular E-Bay seller, and his name, possibly helping other members, decide whether to do deal with E-Bay, PayPal, and a Chinese merchant that I'm compelled to leave unnamed. I understand that I should keep my discussions non political. Heaven knows, I wouldn't want to offend anyone that has "stuck it to me". Now I have $4.00 to show for being lied to a dozen or more times by a Chinese merchant, "playing stupid", while "laughing up his sleeve", my making many trips to the USPS, and spending hours on the phone trying to get my merchandise delivered, as promised, this all taking place over a four month period. One of the most severe types of pain seems to be the pain in the "behind" that comes from being made an "Ass", while failing to prove a point. Since this clever merchant is being protected by everyone politically concerned, I'll just have to drop the matter, and won't be able to warn anyone about his methods. I've been stopped "dead In My Tracks"
Sut Tatersaul
In the interest of keeping the folks of this forum informed. Today, I was partially awarded compensation, by E-Bay, for one of two knives that I bought and paid for, four months ago. One of the Knives I was beat out of, entirely, and the other I never received. I would like to tell the folks on this forum, and this thread, how Supremely satisfied that I am with one particular E-Bay seller, and his name, possibly helping other members, decide whether to do deal with E-Bay, PayPal, and a Chinese merchant that I'm compelled to leave unnamed. I understand that I should keep my discussions non political. Heaven knows, I wouldn't want to offend anyone that has "stuck it to me". Now I have $4.00 to show for being lied to a dozen or more times by a Chinese merchant, "playing stupid", while "laughing up his sleeve", my making many trips to the USPS, and spending hours on the phone trying to get my merchandise delivered, as promised, this all taking place over a four month period. One of the most severe types of pain seems to be the pain in the "behind" that comes from being made an "Ass", while failing to prove a point. Since this clever merchant is being protected by everyone politically concerned, I'll just have to drop the matter, and won't be able to warn anyone about his methods. I've been stopped "dead In My Tracks"
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Sut, I feel for ya.
My advice is to use DH Gate dot com when dealing in China.
DH holds the money until you are satisfied, and no merchant is paid if you are not 100% happy with your purchase.
It is a better system than FleaBay when dealing in China because hit, and run companies are all too common there.
My advice is to use DH Gate dot com when dealing in China.
DH holds the money until you are satisfied, and no merchant is paid if you are not 100% happy with your purchase.
It is a better system than FleaBay when dealing in China because hit, and run companies are all too common there.
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Curious, what's the best way to handle a person who you've shipped knives to that won't pay for them?americanedgetech wrote:Sut, I feel for ya.
My advice is to use DH Gate dot com when dealing in China.
DH holds the money until you are satisfied, and no merchant is paid if you are not 100% happy with your purchase.
It is a better system than FleaBay when dealing in China because hit, and run companies are all too common there.
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??? I suppose that would depend on the situation.
If it is theft or intent to defraud... that is one thing.
If it is unforeseen circumstances... another entirely.
If it is theft or intent to defraud... that is one thing.
If it is unforeseen circumstances... another entirely.
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I'm also curious - why would you ship the product before receiving payment? To me, that's a basic requirement of doing business online. If the product is expensive enough to require an escrow service, fine - but the product doesn't leave my control until the funds are either received or in escrow.espn77 wrote: Curious, what's the best way to handle a person who you've shipped knives to that won't pay for them?
Of course, a deal that has gone South and resulted in chargebacks is a different situation. That's often the result of a lack of communication and very misaligned expectations.
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Something you may already know but folks do it all the time on AAPK. It may go without saying but that service is for individuals they know or with which they have previously had successful dealings.TwoFlowersLuggage wrote:I'm also curious - why would you ship the product before receiving payment?
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For what it's worth, I have never been stiffed on a knife deal with a knife guy, both as a buyer and a seller. Maybe I was just born under a lucky star but that's been my experience. I ship and receive knives all the time with the promise of a future payment or a simple "we'll figure things out down the road". To Jerry's point, I'm usually working with individuals I know and trust or with with individuals that I've had previously successful dealings.
That said, I would still keep meticulous records in terms of accounts payable and receivable just to stay honest with yourself and others.
That said, I would still keep meticulous records in terms of accounts payable and receivable just to stay honest with yourself and others.
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I'm loving all three of my Ganzo automatics (Ganzo G-719-BK, Ganzo G7471-BK, and my Ganzo "Firebird" F5782-BK). These are superb and I rotate these for pocket carry. I also carry a Wenger "Traveller", a GT Auto (USA made) with a 2" ATS-34 blade.
On my hip, I carry either my Buck 110 Conversion Auto or possibly my AGA Campolin Fishtail Picklock Auto (with Brazilian Horn scales) or my AKC Fishtail Picklock Auto with Cocobolo scales. Occasionally, I'll carry my new AKC Slimline lever lock (auto) or AKC Stag scale Speed Hunter (auto). There's always my Buck 898 Impact or my Queen Stag-scaled #1L swing guard Auto conversion. If I have a bug up my @$$, I'll drop my Italian AKC F-16 OTF in my sports jacket pocket.
Variety is the spice of life!
On my hip, I carry either my Buck 110 Conversion Auto or possibly my AGA Campolin Fishtail Picklock Auto (with Brazilian Horn scales) or my AKC Fishtail Picklock Auto with Cocobolo scales. Occasionally, I'll carry my new AKC Slimline lever lock (auto) or AKC Stag scale Speed Hunter (auto). There's always my Buck 898 Impact or my Queen Stag-scaled #1L swing guard Auto conversion. If I have a bug up my @$$, I'll drop my Italian AKC F-16 OTF in my sports jacket pocket.
Variety is the spice of life!
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Great selection Captain O
It's always important to know what you don't know.
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Great selection is right would love to see them.Captain O wrote:I'm loving all three of my Ganzo automatics (Ganzo G-719-BK, Ganzo G7471-BK, and my Ganzo "Firebird" F5782-BK). These are superb and I rotate these for pocket carry. I also carry a Wenger "Traveller", a GT Auto (USA made) with a 2" ATS-34 blade.
On my hip, I carry either my Buck 110 Conversion Auto or possibly my AGA Campolin Fishtail Picklock Auto (with Brazilian Horn scales) or my AKC Fishtail Picklock Auto with Cocobolo scales. Occasionally, I'll carry my new AKC Slimline lever lock (auto) or AKC Stag scale Speed Hunter (auto). There's always my Buck 898 Impact or my Queen Stag-scaled #1L swing guard Auto conversion. If I have a bug up my @$$, I'll drop my Italian AKC F-16 OTF in my sports jacket pocket.
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WOW I think this is a new High Sale Price Record for a Ganzo 7211 Knife $102. I found a few places still selling them for $25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GANZO-Razor-sh ... Swju9akeIo
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I paid under $18 for my 7211, shipped from China to me.
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/100 ... el-folding
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Here is a SanRenMu 9015, a big solid 4 5/8" frame lock folder. Feels like a precision light weight Tank. I have never felt such a confidence inspiring knife.
There is a button that can be slid over the edge of the engaged frame lock, blocking it from moving off the tang end; i.e. keeps the blade locked open.
Hair poppin' sharp. Steel is 12C27 so edge holding should be long lasting.
This is one of The Best tactical style knives i have ever bought.
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There is a button that can be slid over the edge of the engaged frame lock, blocking it from moving off the tang end; i.e. keeps the blade locked open.
Hair poppin' sharp. Steel is 12C27 so edge holding should be long lasting.
This is one of The Best tactical style knives i have ever bought.
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How many times have we been told--you get what you pay for..Well sometimes in a lot of these China knives we get more than we paid for.
I am constantly surprised at the quality for the money..How can they make them for nothing?? Produced-shipped-distributed-sold and delivered to
our doors for less than the price of 3 dozen do-nuts..
I am constantly surprised at the quality for the money..How can they make them for nothing?? Produced-shipped-distributed-sold and delivered to
our doors for less than the price of 3 dozen do-nuts..
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Here is a unique folding Fish knife made by HanWei. 5 1/2" closed length, blade 4 5/8". Depress the button on the bolster to open & close the blade.
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