Canal Street Lockback ????

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Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby philco » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:44 pm

I spotted this listing on ebay today. It's a lockback knife with a Canal Street shield mounted into the handle. I've never seen one like it and I have my concerns about if this knife is a real Canal Street product or the result of some cobbling. Before I blow the BS whistle on this knife I wanted to check with my fellow Canal Street collectors and see if any of you have seen such a knife from Canal Street.

Here's a link to the listing;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CANAL-STREET-CU ... Swm7pZxBiD

And here's a copy of the photo on that listing:
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby Railsplitter » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:08 pm

I'm suspicious too Phil. The seller claims that the knife was "made special for someone". Why would Canal Street Cutlery only make one and why would they not stamp the blade?

This knife was not part of their line up as far as I know. If that's true then they would have had to make or buy special tooling just for this knife. Seems unlikely.
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby americanedgetech » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:25 pm

Perhaps it was made by an employee there for himself or a friend.
That could explain why there is no stamp. BUT that is just a romantic idea. No way to know.
I guess it is too easy to mill a circle, and add a shield/case.

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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby RalphAlsip » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:23 pm

I don't buy a lot of Canal Street knives, but I look at a lot of pictures and don't recall seeing this frame before on a CSC knife. If the story is legit I wonder if it might be a Schrade LB7 with a CS shield?

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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby wazu013 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:50 pm

It does look like a LB7 frame. It's a tough call Phil.
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby wazu013 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:05 pm

If you scroll through the sellers history, he has sold a good number of CS knives.
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby americanedgetech » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:19 pm

Not to start a witch hunt but looking at the first image of the "CS" knife... Look at the lighting on the tang bolster, and the pin placement.
You can clearly see a transition in the lighting reflection as if the pin was hammered out, and slightly bent the bolster. I am sure you would not feel it or see it with the naked eye UNLESS the light caught it at the right angle. In this case the lighting does not lie.
Much of what I do is paint, fabrication, body work and light/angles do not lie

I only say this because AFTER the pin is peened in, the bolster is ground, and if it was undisturbed there would be a perfectly flat bolster.
That bolster is not flat. (Insinuating the blade was removed to change or modify)

Someone versed in scaling (autocad/Blender) could prove that to be a Scharade (from the images) or prove it is not.
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby KAW » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:21 pm

I just sent Eric (ea42) a PM.... Hopefully he will drop by.... and should be able to put this matter to bed as he use to work there.
'til later....
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby philco » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:36 pm

wazu013 wrote:If you scroll through the sellers history, he has sold a good number of CS knives.


I've has some prior contact with this seller. I've seen some factory second Canal Street knives that the seller presented as mint condition new knives when I knew better. The knife that is the subject of this post is what I believe to be the first full blown fake Canal Street I've seen on ebay.
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby kootenay joe » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:39 am

It is an LB7, frame at least is LB7. It is the only 5" LB with the flat 'shoulder' on the front bolsters (where the serial # was placed on the early ones).
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby ea42 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:08 am

Definitely not a Canal Street knife, we never made one like that, sample or otherwise. Most likely it's an old LB-7 (or 5?) with a Canal Street shield glued in. A lot of the old Schrade commemoratives had the same size round shields. The big military commemorative set comes to mind. I think one of the old Schrade employees (one or two come to mind) who had shieldless Schrade knife popped that shield in to fill the hole. The only lockbacks we made at Canal Street were:

The Pinch (with bolster and without):
Canal Street 10th Anniversary 2.jpg



The Squeeze (with bolster and without):
Canal Street Squeeze.jpg



The Swing Guard:
CS Ram SG_136.JPG


Thanks for the heads up KAW!

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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby americanedgetech » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:34 am

I am purely asking this to learn, and hopefully gain more information.

Is it POSSIBLE that an employee of CS modified that particular knife "In House"?
I know my question is subjective but the reality of my question is... are there any tell tale signs that you MAY believe lead to an in house custom? Parts? Scales" Blank blade shape" or is everything wrong with the knife?

I'm trying to learn, and many others (I hope) are as curious as I am.

I asked about why people would fake knives for a LOW dollar knife, and the reply was basically "because they do".
Hi dollar knives I can understand... GREED!

I don't understand greed. If you believe in KARMA, there is no greed.

I hope you all understand my asking, and participating in this thread.
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby TripleF » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:41 am

Was hoping Eric would chime in......because he worked for Canal Street Cutlery.....most of us vets know this, but there's probably quite a few
reading this thread wondering who is ea42?

If he says it's not a Canal Street Cutlery knife, then it isn't.
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby wazu013 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:42 am

There's your answer Phil.
Thanks Eric ::tu::
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Re: Canal Street Lockback ????

Postby philco » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:19 pm

Thanks Eric and all others who have responded to this thread.
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