R 6816 Wow !

The Remington Corporation and the knives that they built have influenced the U.S. cutlery industry more than nearly any other manufacturer. From the time America was settled, to the end of WWI, American knife companies struggled to compete with Britain and German imports, but events that occurred during and after the First World War led to a great change in this phenomenon. Unprecedented opportunities arose, and Remington stepped up to seize the moment. In the process, they created some of today's most prized collectables. In an ironic twist, the next World War played the greatest role in ending the company’s domination of the industry.
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Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:30 am

It would be very helpful to see a picture of each, the acid etch and the ink etch. Knowing how to assess an etch is something i still need to learn.
Is the etch on the pearl knife above an ink etch ?
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby peanut740 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:45 am

I have seen many re-etched Remington knives.Both ink and acid etched.Most of the acid etched ones were fuzzy compared to originals and the knives had been cleaned(like the op knife).If you go to the original post on this knife and compare the etches on the OP knife,the catalog cut and Keith's similar pattern.The etch on the OP knife is too close to the tang.
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby RalphAlsip » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:57 am

kootenay joe wrote:It would be very helpful to see a picture of each, the acid etch and the ink etch. Knowing how to assess an etch is something i still need to learn.
Is the etch on the pearl knife above an ink etch ?
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I'm still working on my etchology certification :) so I won't be able to opine how something was etched, but here is a collage of Remington blade etches from some of my original Remingtons. The eBay etches are also included, however I have tried to "anonymize" the blades so you will have to guess which are mine and which from eBay.

As usual with me, anything worth doing is worth overdoing :) ... the image size is large due to the number of etches included so it will take some time to display when you enlarge. You will note some of the etches are clean and unworn, some are clean and worn, some are worn with patina.

You might notice things like serifs, enclosed letters like "e" and "o" and letters with multiple legs like "n" and "m".
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:40 pm

Are those etches on blades or a picture of the etch as shown in a book ? I need some help to understand what is in this picture, a lot for sure.
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby espn77 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:47 pm

Jerry, the etches look the same third one down middle row and third one down far right row. ::shrug::

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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby RalphAlsip » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:45 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Are those etches on blades or a picture of the etch as shown in a book ? I need some help to understand what is in this picture, a lot for sure.kj

Roland, the Remington etch collage I created contains pictures of etches from 11 of my antique Remington knives. The collage also contains pictures of the 2 etches of the eBay knives that were being discussed in the thread.

The etches were cropped from the blades so the image you see in the collage are strictly the part of the blade that contains the etch.

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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby wlf » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:06 pm

Opinions on this etch.
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby RalphAlsip » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:12 pm

espn77 wrote:Jerry, the etches look the same third one down middle row and third one down far right row. ::shrug::

Keith, I attached a revised picture with the images of the etches numbered. I think you are asking about #7 and #11. If my understanding is correct they are not duplicates. #6 and #7 won't have duplicates :). It is possible that I could have duplicated the others.
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby espn77 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:24 pm

7, 11 look like the same style etch

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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby RalphAlsip » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:53 pm

wlf wrote:Opinions on this etch.

Lyle, to my eye, the Remington etch you are asking about has the same "sharpie" characteristic I mentioned about one of the eBay etches. For example, if you look at the letter "g", the squiggly tail at the bottom of the "g" is fat. I have no idea whether this means anything or not - it's just different from what I am used to seeing on the knives I have. Maybe the etches on my knives are the oddballs :)

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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby espn77 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:08 pm

wlf wrote:Opinions on this etch.

That's the first Remington etch I've seen without Remington underlined.

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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby peanut740 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:15 pm

The etch on Lyle`s doesn`t have an underline under Remington either.I have seen cleaned Remys with original etch.But,have seen many cleaned ones that have been re-etched.Lyle,at Tulsa a couple years age,the dealer I got the etched Challenge off of for you,had 2 re-etched cleaned Remington farmers jacks.They had fuzzy etches and had been cleaned considerably.Those are easy ones to pick out.
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby wlf » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:21 pm

peanut740 wrote:The etch on Lyle`s doesn`t have an underline under Remington either.I have seen cleaned Remys with original etch.But,have seen many cleaned ones that have been re-etched.Lyle,at Tulsa a couple years age,the dealer I got the etched Challenge off of for you,had 2 re-etched cleaned Remington farmers jacks.They had fuzzy etches and had been cleaned considerably.Those are easy ones to pick out.

The scan was from a knife I once had and returned to the man I got it from.
The knife was heavily cleaned and reprofiled, I didn’t think the knife was right.

Thanks Jerry, Keith, and Roger. You all should weigh in on the pressed stag conversation. :)
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby RalphAlsip » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:47 pm

espn77 wrote:7, 11 look like the same style etch

Keith, I'm a man with too much time on my hands :) See picture below. I pulled etches 7 & 11 out of the collage and then resized the images of the etches to be the same size, then cropped just the lettering from the etch of #11, then colored the letters red and then superimposed the red letters from etch 11 on top of the etch from #7.

Long story short you are right that #7 and #11 are clones of the same style. :)
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:17 pm

Wow Jerry, you are very adept technically & thorough too. Thank you for explaining all are etches on a blade.
I don't know how the etching was done but it would have been one of the last steps before being packaged up. Sometimes the 'etcher' employee might have been distracted, or very tired, etc. and the etch came out not as crisp as it should or with some other minor 'issue'. These knives would have been sold along with those with perfect etch. Remington was making them to be used and so the etch would soon be partly worn off.
Do you agree that some of the etches that look a little off could have come from the factory that way ?
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