R 6816 Wow !

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R 6816 Wow !

Postby kootenay joe » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:21 am

There is a great knife listed on ebay, a Lockback Whittler Surveyor(?) pattern with a most impressive master clip blade.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1920-40-RARE-R ... 45520634?_
It is rather expensive at $9,000, but it is also rather nice. Is anyone else here one of the 37 'watchers' ?
This knife does look like it is all original and no fluff & buff treatment. Anyone not agree ? If my assessment is off i want to know before i smash open my piggybank :wink:
My query is not so much about the price, but about the knife.
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby RalphAlsip » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:55 am

kootenay joe wrote:My query is not so much about the price, but about the knife.


Roland, the specific knife and eBay listing you posted has been a topic of interest on AAPK in several other posts. Below are a couple of links that I happened to recall. As you might imagine, opinions about the specific knife are varied. :) However the pattern is without question very rare, highly collectible, and very desirable to Remington collectors.

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=16665&p=676256#p676256

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=56801&p=642926#p642926

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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby kootenay joe » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:05 am

Thank you. Sorry, i was not aware of the previous threads about this knife. Your second link is to a thread from April 2018, 8 months ago. This knife has been for sale long enough to show that price is too high.
Also i just looked more closely at master blade: it looks to have been buffed, both sides. Other thread says etch is not original.
So it is not a 'mint' knife which makes asking price even more 'out of line'.
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby tongueriver » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:52 am

kootenay joe wrote:Also i just looked more closely at master blade: it looks to have been buffed, both sides. Other thread says etch is not original. kj

My thoughts exactly.

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Postby kootenay joe » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:31 pm

However i should add that judging this knife from pictures cannot be as accurate as examining it in-hand. The seller says 'all original' and he has it in hand.
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby Mumbleypeg » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:40 pm

I'm certainly far from an expert but I do know the pattern is rare and coveted by Remington collectors. I had one in-hand once upon a time about 45 years ago and I'll never forget it. The owner was a doctor who had the finest Remington collection I've ever seen including at least one of every "bullet" made. Lost track of him but I'm sure he's no longer living as he'd be well over 100 years old by now.

I have a clone somewhere that was made by Queen. IIRC it's stamped as a Robeson. I'll see if I can find it.

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Edit: my clone is marked Schatt & Morgan. Made by Queen.
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Postby pearlroosterman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:09 pm

As I stated several months ago, if I were able to pay that kind of money for a knife, this one would be mine. I have a very nice used example that I paid several thousand dollars for but nothing like this mint or near mint knife. I have purchased several wonderful Remingtons from this seller and trust his representation of the knife. Merry Christmas and Happy Remington hunting. John
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Postby pearlroosterman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:09 pm

As I stated several months ago, if I were able to pay that kind of money for a knife, this one would be mine. I have a very nice used example that I paid several thousand dollars for but nothing like this mint or near mint knife. I have purchased several wonderful Remingtons from this seller and trust his representation of the knife. Merry Christmas and Happy Remington hunting. John
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby RalphAlsip » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:23 pm

Mumbleypeg wrote:I have a clone marked Schatt & Morgan. Made by Queen.

Ken, I have the same S&M knife and I bought it because I don't expect to ever have an original R6816.

In my view the most significant issue withe the OP knife is the asking price.

Here is another knife from same seller where the etch does look off to me. My perception is the lettering in the etch is not as precise as it should be. For example, if I think of how a Sharpie writes vs. how 5mm mechanical drafting pencil lead writes that's the perception I get when looking at this etch. It could be an optical illusion due to camera angle and lighting.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1920-1940-REMINGTON-PEARL-KNIFE-R-6984-4-BLADE-MINT-AND-RARE/223273694517?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:27 am

Does anyone have an all original Remington knife with "Remington" blade etch that you are sure is original that you could post a picture of for comparison ?
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby pearlroosterman » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:06 am

Just any knife or a 6816?? That will be a tough one.....
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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:10 am

I was meaning any original blade etch to compare with the etch on pearl knife that poster says does not look as 'sharp' ? as it should.
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Postby espn77 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:20 am

Remington produced 2 kinds of "etch" if you will. An acid etch and an ink etch. I don't believe anyone has counterfeited or re-etched an acid etch that I've ever seen. I do believe there have been ink etches that have been counterfeited or re-etched. Your terminology of whether they are counterfeit or re-etch may vary.
I own knives that I believe don't have an original factory etch. I wish they did.

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Postby espn77 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:28 am

This is a very grey area in Remington. I've bought knives from people I respect that believe the etch to be original that I didn't. I think many late knives came out of the factory that didn't have an etch and later acquired one. This is only my opinion after studying the etches in my collection and looking at other knives.

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Re: R 6816 Wow !

Postby pearlroosterman » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:28 am

My photos are terrible but you can see several with etch on the Thread. “My Remingtons “. Start on page 3. Again sorry for the bad photography. John
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