Remington handles 1 - 10

[espn77]

I've been missing a couple of the different handle variations that Remington made so that has been what I've been looking for lately. I believe I finally have obtained them all.

[espn77]

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[espn77]

I have a few of these gold Gentleman knives. No pattern number, but all have WGC on the back tang. I don't know what it stands for but if I was a betting man someone here is about to tell me.

[RalphAlsip]

Keith, that's a wide variety handles, and some really nice blade etches! The Remington bone always catches my eye. The stag does too, but it is very uncommon to see on Remington.

[peanut740]

Well done Keith!

[espn77]

Thanks Jerry and Roger. I know there are lots more out there but the buffalo horn knife is the only example I've seen.

[btrwtr]

Nice display Keith!

[Mumbleypeg]

Congratulations Keith, on completing your quest. Some real beauties in that bunch.

As to the meaning of WGC here's an old thread with some speculation about that. viewtopic.php?t=39381

Ken

[espn77]

Thanks Wayne and Ken.
Ken, thanks for that link. Every gold handled knife or letter opener ive seen made by Remington has that WGC on the tang. I guess until further education ill go with Dimitri, "white gold covers".....

[AREMINGTONSEDGE]

White gold covers??? These are maker's mark.
Remington hired C W Tillmanns and other master cutlers to produce and design knives in their cutlery division. Theses master cutlers also patented some of those design for Remington. The knives you are referring to were "hand tooled" by some of those masters and considered by some to be higher end knife Fobs.
The W G C possibly would be the last initial of a group of cutlers assigned to that production line. A few Master cutlers that worked for Remington at that time... T.E. Wharton, J. Grey, and J. Curtis. I think Richard Morton may have also worked at Remington as a master cutler and his mark was the letter "C".

[espn77]

Thanks Rocky, I was hoping youd see this and help me out. Thanks Keith

[AREMINGTONSEDGE]

Your welcome Keith. B. Levine put together a full or partial list of master cutlers who had a patent issued for cutlery design in the Remington Arms cutlery division. Research in the patent genre related to Remington Cutlery can yield good research information.
Great collection your gathering Keith. Very very nice!

[AREMINGTONSEDGE]

http://svalbardrepublic.org/z-wi-workin ... 13-427.rtf

Click on this to pad your Rem knowledge and research files.

[Remumc]

The WGC marks look just like hallmarks found on many items made from precious metals. And there they are on the only knives Remington made with the gold plated scales. White gold? Looks yellow to me? Initials of master cutler? Very unlikely. Not used on any other Remingtons that involved master cutlers or new patents so that is not likely either. Can I provide proof? No just my opinion and food for thought.

[Remumc]

Very nice 1-10 collection espn77! Very hard to get 10 good examples. I also had a very hard time finding a good Buffalo "0" horn knife. They are out there but all I have seen are badly worn or bug eaten. The hardest of all for me has been the 7 white that included white bone white pyramite and ivory. I have yet to find an ivory scaled Remington. I have had maybe 10 of the knives and handled another 10 with the 7 but they have all been white bone or white pyramite. Give yours a close look and it is likely not actual ivory. I really hope it is but unlikely. They have all been horticulture or agriculture knives. They only ones I have seen with ivory are the walrus ivory knives with the totem patter handles and they don't have the handle ID of 7. Keep an eye out for the totem style walrus ivory hunting and kitchen knives also. I have only found 2 of those. Fun stuff and many thanks to you guys for posting pics and info.
viewtopic.php?t=39291

[espn77]

Remumc. I looked back on that link you posted. Wow. You have some great knives. You need to play more, 91 posts in 4 years just joking. That display you have is awsome. My 1707 ivory knife I do believe to be ivory. I think the budding end was broken at one point and the handle has been reshaped. In hand I can really see the texture on the end. But I'm not an ivory professional. Here are some better pictures for you to critique.

[AREMINGTONSEDGE]

http://www.gold.org/about-gold/gold-jew ... -hallmarks

W G C possibly could stand for World Gold Counsel as a means to certify the precious metal. Most hallmarks Have letters, symbols or shapes in the hallmark. This lead me to think it possibly was a maker's mark related to the individual letters. Exception to the marks not found elsewhere is the precious metals and higher end knife Fob. My response is speculative but not completely out of the picture. I may have miss communicated my thoughts so to clarify I am not suggesting that the patent info has anything to do with the initials. The Article was to shows a few names of their master cutlers to support the Remington's advertising that the knives in discussion were hand made/ carved by master cutlers.

[espn77]

Couple questions. Does anyone have a Remington gold knife WITHOUT the "W G C" stamp, and does anyone have a gold knife from another company WITH the "W G C" stamp? Just curious

[Remumc]

UhOh! Didn't mean to come across as an expert. From the pictures your handles do indeed appear to be ivory. Hard to tell but the color and light staining look right. Very hard to tell the white bone from ivory. The bone will have small pores showing and the ivory won't show pores. I have a friend that has made a living doing scrimshaw for many years so when I am not sure about the handle I have him take a look. I have handled many and done some minor cleaning and repair on a few antique knives with ivory scales but am far from an expert. I am lucky to have a local dealer here in town called Northwest Knives and have handled many knives there. He even gets a nice Remington on occasion!

[AREMINGTONSEDGE]

Remumc... who could really be an "expert" on Remington Cutlery? With very little to no documentation to go on, one has to be a Sherlock Holmes trying to put a puzzle together that has pieces missing! LOL! We all learn from one another and try to share as much as possible our knowledge, understanding and seasoned time in our collection speciality. I am no expert but like many I spend a great deal of time reading, researching and studying Remington history and the many knives in my collection. I personally welcome ideas, theories and open discussion regarding Remington's cutlery division and as a company as a whole. Thank you and others who share their like passion and love for knife collecting and particularly the collection of Remington cutlery.

[AREMINGTONSEDGE]

As for me Keith the answer is no on both accounts. Sorry that I can't give you a better lead.

[kootenay joe]

Washed Gold Covers ?
kj