Letters in pattern # question

[fitzroe]

I have a 65-69 9201 R. What does the R mean? Thanks

[Railsplitter]

For that particular pattern it means the knife has a bail at the butt end. The "R" also can designate a Razor blade but I doubt if your knife has one of those.

[XX Case XX]

For that particular pattern it means the knife has a bail at the butt end.

You would think that Case would have used a "B" instead. They did some weird stuff once in a while.

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Mike

[tongueriver]

For that particular pattern it means the knife has a bail at the butt end.

You would think that Case would have used a "B" instead. They did some weird stuff once in a while.

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Mike

Actually, it should have been S for shackle. Most of the old-timers (probably not all) called them shackles. Bails are on pails. And folk in boats sometimes have to bail out some unwanted water. Not to mention the necessity to bail out from time to time. And bales speak loudly of hay and cotton.

[Mumbleypeg]

It's always fun to second guess our predecessors. In his book Steve Pfeiffer speculates the "R" originated as an abbreviation for "ring". They apparently couldn't use "S" (for shackle) because it was already being used as the designator for sterling silver, which was a commonly used material "back when" gentlemen carried fancy knives for watch fobs. And then there's always SP for Spey, SH for Sheepfoot, and so on. There are older posts here asking "why didn't they just use S instead of SP?" And so on.

By the way you can find a list of abbreviations used by Case in the Research section here at AAPK. https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/co ... d-by-case/

The evolution of the English language has always interested me. The metal handle on a bucket is a "bail", as Cal points out. So maybe that also made sense at the time.

Ken

[XX Case XX]

Actually, it should have been S for shackle.

I must be weird because when I see the word "Shackle" I think "Handcuffs"...

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Mike

[Mumbleypeg]

Actually, it should have been S for shackle.

I must be weird because when I see the word "Shackle" I think "Handcuffs"...

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Mike

Well Mike, I guess we're all a product of our life experiences.

Ken

[XX Case XX]

Actually, it should have been S for shackle.

I must be weird because when I see the word "Shackle" I think "Handcuffs"...

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Mike

Well Mike, I guess we're all a product of our life experiences.

Ken

Yes, that's what I called them when I placed them around other people's wrists. And then I made certain they were double locked...

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Mike

[Mumbleypeg]

Touché!

Ken

[Modern Slip Joints]

I shackled one end of the chain to the eye I spliced in nylon line and shacked the other end to my anchor. I thought a person constrained with handcuffs was not said to be shackled unless there was also a chain between their ankles or at least around their waist. Maybe that's because my only experience is TV and movies.

Case's wire thingy is for attachment of a lanyard. Hence R for lanyard ring makes sense. Other than it being the common modern name calling Case's wire thingy a bail makes less sense.

[knifeaholic]

I have a 65-69 9201 R. What does the R mean? Thanks

Can you post photos of the knife? I have never seen a 9201 from 65-69 with a bail.

[Steve Warden]

There ya go! It's a wire thingy!!



Where'd I put my crayons?

[fitzroe]

Mine doesn't have the bail. Just 2 tiny holes. I would like to see one too. I doubt many survived they couldn't have been very strong