Handle variations! With pictures :)

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Handle variations! With pictures :)

Postby XxTestedxX » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:49 am

Surely we are all aware of the types of handles, colors and what not. Here is a picture of 8 different handles of mine pre 1970
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Postby XxTestedxX » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:52 am

-2nd cut stag
-true red bone
-xx era bone
-pretty bone
-rough black
-greenbone
-xx stag
-red stag
-2nd cut bone
-late Rogers bone

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Re: Handle variations! With pictures :)

Postby FRJ » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:20 am

Cool! ::tu:: ::nod::
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Re: Handle variations! With pictures :)

Postby QTCut5 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:55 am

Nice comparison photos...beautiful knives.

Does the Red Stag Trapper show a pattern stamp beginning with "R"? (what year is that one?)

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Postby 313 Mike » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:21 am

Beautiful knives Mike, thanks for posting them!
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Postby SteelMyHeart85420 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:18 pm

I like both of those long pull Stockman's in the 2nd pic
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Postby XxTestedxX » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:41 pm

QTCut5 wrote:Nice comparison photos...beautiful knives.

Does the Red Stag Trapper show a pattern stamp beginning with "R"? (what year is that one?)

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This was before color was abbreviated or noted. I have seen some more Modern case with abbreviations

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Postby XxTestedxX » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:42 pm

SteelMyHeart85420 wrote:I like both of those long pull Stockman's in the 2nd pic


They're my favorite

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Postby QTCut5 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:19 pm

XxTestedxX wrote:Does the Red Stag Trapper show a pattern stamp beginning with "R"? (what year is that one?)


This was before color was abbreviated or noted. I have seen some more Modern case with abbreviations


Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
Any idea when Case began using such prefixes?

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Re: Handle variations! With pictures :)

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QTCut5 wrote:
XxTestedxX wrote:Does the Red Stag Trapper show a pattern stamp beginning with "R"? (what year is that one?)


This was before color was abbreviated or noted. I have seen some more Modern case with abbreviations


Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
Any idea when Case began using such prefixes?

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Well I can say at least 94' at I have a SC64052 for "Second Cut" that oddly has blades never factory sharpened. But I seem to recall 83' when the Second Cut Stag SC prefix set came out. Others may chime in on this as it may have been on earlier knives. That is a top of the head hip shot but I think to be accurate at the moment.

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Re: Handle variations! With pictures :)

Postby Mumbleypeg » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:27 pm

zp4ja wrote:
QTCut5 wrote:
XxTestedxX wrote:Does the Red Stag Trapper show a pattern stamp beginning with "R"? (what year is that one?)


This was before color was abbreviated or noted. I have seen some more Modern case with abbreviations


Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
Any idea when Case began using such prefixes?

~Q~


Well I can say at least 94' at I have a SC64052 for "Second Cut" that oddly has blades never factory sharpened. But I seem to recall 83' when the Second Cut Stag SC prefix set came out. Others may chime in on this as it may have been on earlier knives. That is a top of the head hip shot but I think to be accurate at the moment.

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1978, introduction of Appaloosa bone, was the first time Case intentionally marketed a soecific bone color. They used the letter "A" prefix in the pattern number to denote Appaloosa bone. This was followed by SR for Smooth Rose, in 1979. Steve Pfeiffer's second edition book has a detailed discussion of this, along with the introduction of other bone colors. (Up to a point anyway - after the 90s it was "off to the races" with new and different colors offered.) ::woot::

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Re: Handle variations! With pictures :)

Postby zp4ja » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:50 pm

Mumbleypeg wrote:
zp4ja wrote:
QTCut5 wrote:
Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
Any idea when Case began using such prefixes?

~Q~


Well I can say at least 94' at I have a SC64052 for "Second Cut" that oddly has blades never factory sharpened. But I seem to recall 83' when the Second Cut Stag SC prefix set came out. Others may chime in on this as it may have been on earlier knives. That is a top of the head hip shot but I think to be accurate at the moment.

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1978, introduction of Appaloosa bone, was the first time Case intentionally marketed a soecific bone color. They used the letter "A" prefix in the pattern number to denote Appaloosa bone. This was followed by SR for Smooth Rose, in 1979. Steve Pfeiffer's second edition book has a detailed discussion of this, along with the introduction of other bone colors. (Up to a point anyway - after the 90s it was "off to the races" with new and different colors offered.) ::woot::

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I believe you are correct Ken. Thanks for clarification. I think SR stood for Satin Rose though.

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Re: Handle variations! With pictures :)

Postby Mumbleypeg » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:59 pm

zp4ja wrote:
Mumbleypeg wrote:
zp4ja wrote:
1978, introduction of Appaloosa bone, was the first time Case intentionally marketed a soecific bone color. They used the letter "A" prefix in the pattern number to denote Appaloosa bone. This was followed by SR for Smooth Rose, in 1979. Steve Pfeiffer's second edition book has a detailed discussion of this, along with the introduction of other bone colors. (Up to a point anyway - after the 90s it was "off to the races" with new and different colors offered.) ::woot::

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I believe you are correct Ken. Thanks for clarification. I think SR stood for Satin Rose though.

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No credit deserved here Jerry. Without Steve's book the only thing I could have told you is that Appaloosa bone was Case's first intentional introduction of bone color. The rest is all from his wonderful work. I think you're right as to the "SR" designating Satin Rose. On page 86 the book shows a chart that says SR is Satin Rose but the accompanying text on page 87 says SR "Smooth Rose". May be a typo. ::shrug::

By the way, nice bone handle examples in the OP! ::tu:: ::tu::

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Re: Handle variations! With pictures :)

Postby gsmith7158 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:21 pm

There is such a variation of colors in those bone handles that it seems odd to me that someone at Case never picked up on the marketing angle of those differences. I mean think of all the snake oil salesmen from the 1860's to present that have included lengthy and colorful descriptions of their products to aid their sales. Not a one of those guys at Case apparently.
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Re: Handle variations! With pictures :)

Postby Mumbleypeg » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:14 pm

gsmith7158 wrote:There is such a variation of colors in those bone handles that it seems odd to me that someone at Case never picked up on the marketing angle of those differences. I mean think of all the snake oil salesmen from the 1860's to present that have included lengthy and colorful descriptions of their products to aid their sales. Not a one of those guys at Case apparently.


Good point Greg, but in the context of the times they were selling tools, not fashions. Celluloid handles were a form of color variations. Of course they and their competitors also offered customers a choice of various handle materials like bone, stag, pearl, etc. But somehow they didn't make the paradigm leap to a marketing strategy of varying colors. Probably the marketplace wasn't yet ready for it either. ::shrug::

Once Case realized in the early 1970s some people were collecting their products, they were the first to get the idea of marketing colors and other attributes to entice collectors to buy more knives. Even that took a few years. That was the point at which Case began the marketing strategy transition from selling tools to selling collectables. It seems their competition was too slow to change, and Case has survived when others didn't.

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