Those hard to find Old Timers

Schrade Cutlery Company was founded in 1904 by George Schrade, and his brothers Jacob and William Schrade. In 1946 Imperial Knife Associated Companies, (IKAC; an association of Ulster Knife Co and Imperial Knife Co) purchased controlling interest in Schrade Cut Co and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. In 1973 the name was changed to Schrade Cutlery. In 2004 Schrade closed due to bankruptcy.

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Thanks for these posts about the Schrade USA "Y" knives. I now realize my confusion about how these yellow Delrin knives are marked is not my 'old timer's disease' but is because no one is certain if any of these USA 8OT's were marked "8OTY".
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kootenay joe wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:44 pm Thanks for these posts about the Schrade USA "Y" knives. I now realize my confusion about how these yellow Delrin knives are marked is not my 'old timer's disease' but is because no one is certain if any of these USA 8OT's were marked "8OTY".
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Well.... I have a case of "Old Timer" disease... as in, I can't get enough Old Timer knives..... (USA Old Timers that is)

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This one is definitely hard to find.
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jxr1197 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:02 pm This one is definitely hard to find.

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Huh?!! What's the deal?
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jxr1197 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:02 pm This one is definitely hard to find.

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LOL.....

Now I see who out SNIPED me.....

LOL.....
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cody6268 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:19 pm
Huh?!! What's the deal?
That one was obviously assembled at the Imperial factory.
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Meridian_Mike wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:20 pm LOL.....

Now I see who out SNIPED me.....

LOL.....
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HA! I shoulda known, lol.

cody6268 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:19 pmHuh?!! What's the deal?
Weird, right? I've only seen one other one. Imperial had a short, and pretty much forgotten cameo in the Prince Albert offer. The knife is one thing but it's even trippier seeing the tin.
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cody6268 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:19 pm
Huh?!! What's the deal?
That one was obviously assembled at the Imperial factory.
..or Schrade ::shrug::
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I almost won this one yesterday. Had meant to put a larger bid in, since I thought it ended today, NOT last night. Went just $4, and at $35, was still affordable. I sure hope someone here got it. Has to be a 1 of 1.

It's a prototype made for the Skoal promo, a one-spring knife, using a 34OT main blade, and a small clip point blade from a 44OT Workmate. That blade has been scalloped/serrated.

Seller's description. Didn't ask, but they may be a former Schrade employee, possibly in sales. Two production models were listed as being "from their sample roll".
As far as I know there is only one of these!! This knife was made as a sample prototype for the Skoal Smokeless Tobacco Division of US Tobacco. It's unique in that there are two tang stamps 34OT and 44OT. This makes sense as Schrade would have used blades they had on hand for the prototype, a 34OT blade from an Old Timer "Middleman" and a modified 44OT Old Timer "Workmate" blade.

In the 90's Schrade produced literally thousands of pocket knives for promotional use by US Tobacco for both the Copenhagen and Skoal brands of smokeless tobacco. The brand managers were always looking for new blade configurations and this was one of them. As far as I know, this one never went into production. It features green saw cut Delrin handles, mirror polished brass bolsters, 1095 high carbon steel blades, antique brass Skoal handle shield and solid brass linings.
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I have a Schrade Walden 8OTY, but there is no Y in the tang stamp.
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Here a few base on the Ulster 580T.
1. 500T (50T tang stamp ) bone
2. 580T bone
3.Imperial
4. Trustworthy Hardware
5. Robeson Shuredge (this knife has the Swindon system.As far as I can work out there was a sample lot madness for Robeson )

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The Robeson was made by Schrade (Walden ?) for Robeson ?
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kootenay joe wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:10 pm The Robeson was made by Schrade (Walden ?) for Robeson ?
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KJ Here a topic with a few pictures
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Thanks Grant. So a bit of a mystery but definitely made by Schrade-Walden.
Did Imperial also use the Swinden key system ?
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kootenay joe wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:21 am Thanks Grant. So a bit of a mystery but definitely made by Schrade-Walden.
Did Imperial also use the Swinden key system ?
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Schrade & Imperial merged in 1983 and after that did do work for each other. However from what i have read, only the Schrade factory was set up to do Swinden construction.
Your Robeson "Old Timer" dates to mid 1960's well before the Schrade-Imperial merger.
The history of Ulster/Schrade & Imperial is complex and online articles about their history give contradicting ownership stories as to who bought what and when.
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black mamba wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:23 pm I have a Schrade Walden 8OTY, but there is no Y in the tang stamp.
Those knives don't have a "Y" stamped at the end of the "8OT"...

The "Y" just stands for the yellow covers. It is just a way to distinguish between the regular issue.

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Shearer wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:05 pm Here a few base on the Ulster 580T.
1. 500T (50T tang stamp ) bone
2. 580T bone
3.Imperial
4. Trustworthy Hardware
5. Robeson Shuredge (this knife has the Swindon system.As far as I can work out there was a sample lot madness for Robeson )

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I have an Ulster 580T with an "Old Timer" shield. ::paranoid:: What's up with that? ::paranoid::
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GSPTOPDOG wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:44 am
Shearer wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:05 pm Here a few base on the Ulster 580T.
1. 500T (50T tang stamp ) bone
2. 580T bone
3.Imperial
4. Trustworthy Hardware
5. Robeson Shuredge (this knife has the Swindon system.As far as I can work out there was a sample lot madness for Robeson )

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I have an Ulster 580T with an "Old Timer" shield. ::paranoid:: What's up with that? ::paranoid::
They made thousands of Ulster 580T with delrin handles and only a limited number with bone handles in the first years of production.

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Shearer wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:08 am
GSPTOPDOG wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:44 am
Shearer wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:05 pm Here a few base on the Ulster 580T.
1. 500T (50T tang stamp ) bone
2. 580T bone
3.Imperial
4. Trustworthy Hardware
5. Robeson Shuredge (this knife has the Swindon system.As far as I can work out there was a sample lot madness for Robeson )

Grant
I have an Ulster 580T with an "Old Timer" shield. ::paranoid:: What's up with that? ::paranoid::
They made thousands of Ulster 580T with delrin handles and only a limited number with bone handles in the first years of production.

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I though it was rare ::hmm:: :x So... ::paranoid:: I'm not getting rich $$$ on the Ulster 580T with delrin handles? ::dang:: ::facepalm:: ::disgust::
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GSPTOPDOG wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:35 am
I though it was rare ::hmm:: :x So... ::paranoid:: I'm not getting rich $$$ on the Ulster 580T with delrin handles? ::dang:: ::facepalm:: ::disgust::
Not a knife that will let you retire.....sorry.

Those 58OTs were made by Ulster and were available through the Prince Albert tobacco offer.

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I'm not sure how many were produced..... by many thousand I would imagine.
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Meridian_Mike wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:39 am
GSPTOPDOG wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:35 am
I though it was rare ::hmm:: :x So... ::paranoid:: I'm not getting rich $$$ on the Ulster 580T with delrin handles? ::dang:: ::facepalm:: ::disgust::
Not a knife that will let you retire.....sorry.

Those 58OTs were made by Ulster and were available through the Prince Albert tobacco offer.


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I'm not sure how many were produced..... by many thousand I would imagine.
Thanks, ::handshake:: a very nice photo and collection of items you have there. ::nod::
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These 61OTs are somewhat hard to find, glad I got this one!
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Yep.....
I can't remember where I got mine but it sure wasn't easy to find....

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Here is another one that is not that easy to find....
(Especially at a reasonable price!)

The ole 106OT "Grandad's Old Timer"

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The 225OT (Son of a Gun) is another one that doesn't come up everyday....
I got this one from a fellow AAPK member.

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